Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

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Which side would you take?

Saquon Barkley
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1.06, 2.06, 2019 first, JuJu/OJ
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Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby bullsboy19 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:29 pm

Thoughts? The Owner gets his choice of JuJu Smith-Schuster or OJ Howard
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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby Shcritters » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:41 pm

I think this belongs in the team advice forum, but will answer anyways :)

This effectively takes you from Juju to Barkley as your flex, but really guts you for future. If you think Juju is 1 1st and a 2nd then this is roughly 3 1sts and 2 2nds. The value is probably close, but I probably wouldn’t do it because of how weak it puts you at WR. Also, with such high IPD scoring you could make the points up elesewhere.
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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby bullsboy19 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:22 pm

Yes this is for the I’m my sig, I love JuJu but the thought of having arguably the 3 best RBs is so intriguing. Maybe it’s because I think Gordon is going to be a big producer, so I can survive without JuJu (also big Garcon supporter).
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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby smallxl » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:26 pm

Barkley for me
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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby BigBawseRoss » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:30 am

juju and 1.06 and the 19 first.

easily

if you want barkley over that you need to seek help and ask his girlfriend if its ok to love him like you do.
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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby Ice » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:41 am

I would not sell Barkley for that. Instant reject!
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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby joeday » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:54 am

From my experience with Barkley owners this will be instantly rejected and could possibly offend him.
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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby dynastyninja » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:55 am

BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:30 am juju and 1.06 and the 19 first.

easily

if you want barkley over that you need to seek help and ask his girlfriend if its ok to love him like you do.
So far you are in the minority here

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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby thebeast » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:37 am

I’d roll the dice that Barkley’s floor is Elliot (without the off field issues) so I’d take Barkley.

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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby joeday » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:47 am

thebeast wrote: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:37 am I’d roll the dice that Barkley’s floor is Elliot (without the off field issues) so I’d take Barkley.
So Barkley's floor is the #2 scoring RB as a rookie and #3 scoring RB in points per games played in his 2nd year? That seems a little too high for my taste for an unproven rookie. That said, it is easily Barkley in this case.
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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby Ice » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:57 am

thebeast wrote: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:37 am I’d roll the dice that Barkley’s floor is Elliot (without the off field issues) so I’d take Barkley.
Based on what I have seen that does seem to be his value based on his hype.

Personally, Not a chance in Hades I would trade away Zeke for Barkley but understand some would. (Just don't think Barkley is in that tier of player.) Barkley is certainly his equal if not better is some areas without the pads on but on the field, Zeke looks much better to my eye especially when it comes to vision.

That said, I am a huge fan of Barkley
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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby Rosenbluu » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:17 pm

Barkley but I voted JuJu since I thought it included OJ as well
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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby thebeast » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:43 pm

joeday wrote: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:47 am
thebeast wrote: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:37 am I’d roll the dice that Barkley’s floor is Elliot (without the off field issues) so I’d take Barkley.
So Barkley's floor is the #2 scoring RB as a rookie and #3 scoring RB in points per games played in his 2nd year? That seems a little too high for my taste for an unproven rookie. That said, it is easily Barkley in this case.
That’s why I said I’d roll the dice. I don’t think it’s a given, but I do think Barkley is viewed as a much better prospect than Zeke was heading into the league.

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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby Seventy5 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:36 pm

thebeast wrote: Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:43 pm
joeday wrote: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:47 am
thebeast wrote: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:37 am I’d roll the dice that Barkley’s floor is Elliot (without the off field issues) so I’d take Barkley.
So Barkley's floor is the #2 scoring RB as a rookie and #3 scoring RB in points per games played in his 2nd year? That seems a little too high for my taste for an unproven rookie. That said, it is easily Barkley in this case.
That’s why I said I’d roll the dice. I don’t think it’s a given, but I do think Barkley is viewed as a much better prospect than Zeke was heading into the league.
Im in the same boat as well, and I didn't realize it until someone offered me their Zeek Elliot for my Saquon Barkley straight up and I said no.

To me, although Zeek's talent + situation combination is great, I think Barkley is a much better prospect heads up and I think the talent is great enough to actually bet on over another already prove elite fantasy asset in this case. Can't go wrong with either in this case, but Saquon is the shinier toy with a perceived higher ceiling and tis the season where potential > production.

As for the original topic question, Barkley for me quite easily unless that 2019 1st is projected to be top 2-4.

The 2nd round of this draft class--to me anyways--is about the same talent-equivalent of last years late 3rd-early 4th range, so I place almost no value in that 2.06. That leaves mid 18 1st+late '19 1st+JuJu for Saquon Barkley. If you value Saquon as an already elite prospect to have like many do, there's nothing in that offer that would make me take the package over Saquon. Have to give elite to get elite, or offer a godfather like package they CANT refuse. JuJu + some lower-odd mid-late 1sts for me is pretty ehh/WR2/Flex upside excitement level.
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Re: Barkley or JuJu/OJ+

Postby maxhyde » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:19 am

Seventy5 wrote: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:36 pm
thebeast wrote: Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:43 pm
joeday wrote: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:47 am

So Barkley's floor is the #2 scoring RB as a rookie and #3 scoring RB in points per games played in his 2nd year? That seems a little too high for my taste for an unproven rookie. That said, it is easily Barkley in this case.
That’s why I said I’d roll the dice. I don’t think it’s a given, but I do think Barkley is viewed as a much better prospect than Zeke was heading into the league.
Im in the same boat as well, and I didn't realize it until someone offered me their Zeek Elliot for my Saquon Barkley straight up and I said no.

To me, although Zeek's talent + situation combination is great, I think Barkley is a much better prospect heads up and I think the talent is great enough to actually bet on over another already prove elite fantasy asset in this case. Can't go wrong with either in this case, but Saquon is the shinier toy with a perceived higher ceiling and tis the season where potential > production.

As for the original topic question, Barkley for me quite easily unless that 2019 1st is projected to be top 2-4.

The 2nd round of this draft class--to me anyways--is about the same talent-equivalent of last years late 3rd-early 4th range, so I place almost no value in that 2.06. That leaves mid 18 1st+late '19 1st+JuJu for Saquon Barkley. If you value Saquon as an already elite prospect to have like many do, there's nothing in that offer that would make me take the package over Saquon. Have to give elite to get elite, or offer a godfather like package they CANT refuse. JuJu + some lower-odd mid-late 1sts for me is pretty ehh/WR2/Flex upside excitement level.
I agree Saquon is a superior prospect but Zeke bounced into the best possible RB situation in the league. The Giants are years away from having a "great" line and by the time that happens they are likely looking for a QB. His situation is not ideal so as good as he might be ranking him ahead of Elliott in a vacuum is fine but when you take in all the factors I don't see how he can be ranked up with the true proven elite type RB's. He has yet to show in the NFL he can dominate despite not always having the best supporting cast like LeVeon/DJ so until he does that ( and I half expect he will at times) I think he is being overvalued/overhyped. Fun to own but ultimately I think counting on him for top 5RB #'s as a rookie is a little unrealistic even though totally possible with the expected touches


BTW I totally misunderstood the trade as I thought it was it was Juju and OJ Howard and the picks...if it is both that side...if it is Juju OR OJ Howard I'd keep Barkley
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