John Ross: reports of his demise are greatly exaggerated.

[ninotoreS]

Man 24mph.... that's faster than Dalton can throw.

lol!

a john ross flame war coolio

Actually I never have flame wars, because I ignore confirmed shitposting after one reply or less. Flame wars require back and forth, but contempt is best demonstrated by dismissal.

You can testify to that.

I just bought him during our rookie draft last week. I sold the 2.04 for a 2019 2nd + John Ross.

So you basically got Ross for free, since I assume you looked at what was on the board at 2.4 and decided you didn't want anything probably going soon more than a '19 2nd.

I love trading during rookie-drafts. You usually get better deals. You got a (currently) completely healthy 22-year-old player with objectively true game-breaking potential and elite pedigree as a throw-in.

[knotts4372]

i absolutely hated ross last season but saw some talent just thought he was over drafted, but now hes one of my top buy players right now. i love buying young players that didnt live up to hype from previous years. you can get him for a 2nd almost anywhere and those same fanboys that bleep on him now, are the ones that will give you value back after 1 or 2 long bomb catches. if ross doesnt do anything you'e out a 2nd rd pick so not the end of the world.

guys like ross and even kevin white are gold imo right now

[FantasyFreak]

I will say this, though, anyone who writes Ross off as a complete bust after year 1 are being premature. My contention is he was overdraft because of his 40 time (ala Heyward Bey) although Ross put up a dandy of a season coming out, which Heyward Bey did not. Ross has the ability to be an elite deep threat if he can ever stay healthy, but in a PPR scenario I feel he will be a boom or bust type of guy. I don't know where he was drafted last year by most, but if you spent a top 5 rookie pick on him I personally feel it's unlikely you will ever see that value coming back in a trade, or production wise. However, it doesn't mean he can't produce for your team at all. I think Ross would be a great best ball buy (although I recently sold him in BB, but as part of a deal for a QB as it was a SF league). I think he'd be a great guy to target as a buy low in best ball formats right now.

[jman3134]

Literally a make it or break it year for John Ross.

[BigBawseRoss]

rice krispie treats are more durable than that dude - easy pass for a career roster clogger.

he may have a good year if he manages to stay healthy. but the dude can't even run a 40 without hurting himself. throw in some contact and he's a pass unless i can get him for a mid 2nd. i'd flip him for any first as soon as he has a good game.

this is the worst argument anyone can make. many many many players get hurt while running. its like saying arob or jordy are no good cuz they couldnt even finish running a route without thier knee exploding...

[Jason3123]

I posted about this last year regarding Doctson/Perriman/White, but the list of 1st round to WR's to not record a catch their 1st season is essentially a death sentence. Not playing at all (Perriman/White) is worse than Ross/Doctson. But it looks like it applied to Perriman and White. Doctson to be determined. Treadwell to be determined (1 catch). Ross had 0 catches but played in 3 games. The odds are not good.

[Bot101]

I wasnt a fan before his 40. Didn't change after his 40. Dont really want him now.

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

I posted about this last year regarding Doctson/Perriman/White, but the list of 1st round to WR's to not record a catch their 1st season is essentially a death sentence. Not playing at all (Perriman/White) is worse than Ross/Doctson. But it looks like it applied to Perriman and White. Doctson to be determined. Treadwell to be determined (1 catch). Ross had 0 catches but played in 3 games. The odds are not good.

I'd be shocked if there's a meaningful sample size enough to say anything about Ross' odds.

[Jason3123]

I posted about this last year regarding Doctson/Perriman/White, but the list of 1st round to WR's to not record a catch their 1st season is essentially a death sentence. Not playing at all (Perriman/White) is worse than Ross/Doctson. But it looks like it applied to Perriman and White. Doctson to be determined. Treadwell to be determined (1 catch). Ross had 0 catches but played in 3 games. The odds are not good.

I'd be shocked if there's a meaningful sample size enough to say anything about Ross' odds.

Definitely limited sample size because it's not supposed to happen. And for the ones it did happen to, it's not a good sign.

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

I posted about this last year regarding Doctson/Perriman/White, but the list of 1st round to WR's to not record a catch their 1st season is essentially a death sentence. Not playing at all (Perriman/White) is worse than Ross/Doctson. But it looks like it applied to Perriman and White. Doctson to be determined. Treadwell to be determined (1 catch). Ross had 0 catches but played in 3 games. The odds are not good.

I'd be shocked if there's a meaningful sample size enough to say anything about Ross' odds.

Definitely limited sample size because it's not supposed to happen. And for the ones it did happen to, it's not a good sign.

Oh no doubt. I'd much rather he did something last year and I've been offloading him this offseason. But when talking about a sample size of like 12 guys, the odds don't really exist yet.

[ericanadian]

I'd be shocked if there's a meaningful sample size enough to say anything about Ross' odds.

Definitely limited sample size because it's not supposed to happen. And for the ones it did happen to, it's not a good sign.

Oh no doubt. I'd much rather he did something last year and I've been offloading him this offseason. But when talking about a sample size of like 12 guys, the odds don't really exist yet.

So much this, especially when you're looking at injury and not just an inability to get in the lineup like Treadwell. It's certainly not good news, but how many first round WRs have missed their opening season to injury?

[Jason3123]

Not many, obviously. There are only 4 1st round WR's post merger to play in a game and have 0 yards for the season, Ross is one of them. AJ Jenkins most recently. Ross will most likely be another name added to a long list of 1st round busts, it happens. Ike Hilliard and Santana Moss are the 2 biggest risers for 1st round WR's who basically redshirted their rookie year. Doctson has a chance this year. Jonnie Morton is another name that eventually broke out. It's pretty foolish IMO to bet on Ross to make it though. Odds are already pretty rough just being a typical 1st round pick anyways. Just adds to the already numerous red flags regarding Ross.

[ericanadian]

Not many, obviously. There are only 4 1st round WR's post merger to play in a game and have 0 yards for the season, Ross is one of them. AJ Jenkins most recently. Ross will most likely be another name added to a long list of 1st round busts, it happens. Ike Hilliard and Santana Moss are the 2 biggest risers for 1st round WR's who basically redshirted their rookie year. Doctson has a chance this year. Jonnie Morton is another name that eventually broke out. It's pretty foolish IMO to bet on Ross to make it though. Odds are already pretty rough just being a typical 1st round pick anyways. Just adds to the already numerous red flags regarding Ross.

I don't think many people are betting on Ross so much as holding to conclusion rather than assuming bust status.

[maxhyde]

Not many, obviously. There are only 4 1st round WR's post merger to play in a game and have 0 yards for the season, Ross is one of them. AJ Jenkins most recently. Ross will most likely be another name added to a long list of 1st round busts, it happens. Ike Hilliard and Santana Moss are the 2 biggest risers for 1st round WR's who basically redshirted their rookie year. Doctson has a chance this year. Jonnie Morton is another name that eventually broke out. It's pretty foolish IMO to bet on Ross to make it though. Odds are already pretty rough just being a typical 1st round pick anyways. Just adds to the already numerous red flags regarding Ross.

I don't think many people are betting on Ross so much as holding to conclusion rather than assuming bust status.

I agree. Hard to say bust when he got essentially 0 action. He certainly could still be a bust but for me at least it is far from a certainty

[Servo]

Just a question here, I get the comparison with White, Perriman, Dorsett, etc...was Ross considered a better prospect than all of those guys coming out of college?