separating yearly result and draft slot

[Pullo Vision]

For most leagues, where you draft one year depends on where you finished the year before. So, if you're the 2nd worst team in 2021, you earn the 2nd best pick in 2022.

What if you delay that? What if how you do in 2021 determines your 2023 draft slot? What if your yearly result didn't yield an immediate result the next offseason, but further in the future? By removing the "instant gratification"of tanking, could that discourage the practice? Would it have other effects?

[skip]

I'd the goal is to keep owners from tanking, it's as simple as having a rule about integrity. It's a one strike rule that an owner gets kicked out if they do it. No second chances.

But assuming you use the above method, how do you decide to initially employ it? How is the draft order determined for the missing year (year 2).

[ninotoreS]

Novel idea, OP. I kinda like it, honestly.

I think I'd prefer a one-year removed determination rather than a two-year, though; don't wanna make bad rosters wait too long for a valuable draft slot.

[Pullo Vision]

I'd the goal is to keep owners from tanking, it's as simple as having a rule about integrity. It's a one strike rule that an owner gets kicked out if they do it. No second chances.

But assuming you use the above method, how do you decide to initially employ it? How is the draft order determined for the missing year (year 2).

I agree, easy way to avoid tanking is to not have tanking owners.

This idea wasn't so much an anti-tanking measure, though. Just an idea I had, and trying to figure out the effects and usefulness.

I imagine the rookie picks for the 2nd year could be determined the same way the 1st year is. So, the startup draft February 2018 would have the rookie rookie picks for 2018 and 2019 available to draft or bid on. How the teams perform during the 2018 season would determine their draft position for the 2020 rookie draft.

Nino, I appreciate, and agree that one year is better than 2. Having to wait until 2021 to get the draft pick you earned in 2018 seems excessive.

[dynastyninja]

How would trading picks work? I guess you'd always know what spot the pick you're trading for is?

[Pullo Vision]

How would trading picks work? I guess you'd always know what spot the pick you're trading for is?

Yep, that's what I'd think. The last startup I did (in 2014, I think, before the NFL's draft) the rookie picks for 2014 were also selected in the startup. So, in this example, you could draft both the 2014 and 2015 picks. How you performed in 2014 would determine the 2016 draft order. During the 2015 season, you would already know where the pick is.

I've seen some leagues where you can't trade picks 2 years in advance, but only the picks in the upcoming draft. If you add that with this idea, you wouldn't have to worry about owners underselling their high level picks.

[OhCruelestRanter]

You could use “The Wheel” concept that was proposed for the NBA draft, where every draft spot is decided in advance in perpetuity.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-n ... the-wheel/

[MEuRaH]

Make potential points = draft order

Tanking gone. I have 160 owners and 0 tanked last year.

[millworkguy]

Make potential points = draft order

Tanking gone. I have 160 owners and 0 tanked last year.

I don't like this as "Lucky " teams could win the championship and still get a top 6 pick. Last year i had a team where in a 16 team league i was 3rd by record and 8th in points scored, tied for second 2nd in "could have lost", 8th in all play.

[Ice]

Make potential points = draft order

Tanking gone. I have 160 owners and 0 tanked last year.

This! It is easy and works. We use potential points only through 16 game regular season.

The only thing I would add in case it is not clear. Use the system above for non playoff teams only. Playoff teams should be determined by order of finish.

[Ice]

Make potential points = draft order

Tanking gone. I have 160 owners and 0 tanked last year.

I don't like this as "Lucky " teams could win the championship and still get a top 6 pick. Last year i had a team where in a 16 team league i was 3rd by record and 8th in points scored, tied for second 2nd in "could have lost", 8th in all play.

Not the way we do it.

Only non playoff teams are set by potential points and the two first round losers which are after the non playoff teams.

The winner picks 12th
The runner up picks 11th
and so on.

This stops tanking at the bottom which affects all owners

[MEuRaH]

Make potential points = draft order

Tanking gone. I have 160 owners and 0 tanked last year.

I don't like this as "Lucky " teams could win the championship and still get a top 6 pick. Last year i had a team where in a 16 team league i was 3rd by record and 8th in points scored, tied for second 2nd in "could have lost", 8th in all play.

No.

Potential Points for teams that don't make the playoffs. Playoff teams = order of finish.

I keep forgetting we got so many new guys on these forums. PP for draft order is very common-place, yet someone has to explain how it works almost monthly. It eliminates tanking.

[millworkguy]

I keep forgetting we got so many new guys on these forums. PP for draft order is very common-place, yet someone has to explain how it works almost monthly. It eliminates tanking.

The 1 thing i have learned reading this forum for almost 2 years is their is no common way to play ff. None of my 9 teams use pp to get draft spots, I have yet to see 1 common scoring system, keeper style or roster requirements. It's something I love about ff , is the multiple ways to play. I have seen 1 case of tanking in my 9 leagues in the last 3 years. That's almost 140 owners 16 games per season 3 seasons. Not sure who the rest of you are playing with that see it as a big concern.

[Pullo Vision]

Make potential points = draft order

Tanking gone. I have 160 owners and 0 tanked last year.

Just to be clear, I didn't come up with the idea with the intent of creating an anti-tanking measure.Obviously there are better ways to do that.

I came up with the idea, then wondered if it was beneficial in any way, or had any undesirable side effects in any way. The only thing that came to mind was as an anti-tanking measure. Making it obvious where picks in the next draft will slot, before the season even starts, would help people from underselling quality picks.

But, the real advantage could be the novelty factor.