Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby hockeyBjj » Wed May 30, 2018 12:49 pm

Easy answer. You just took over an orphan. Have you paid yet? If not, just kick it back to the curb and join a different league you're happier with
Team 1- 10 team ppr, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flx, 1D, 1K
2022: 1-8
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Achane, Charbonnet, Algier, McBride, waiver trash
WR: JSN, QJ, Addison, Dotson, Skyy Moore, Jameson Williams, Hyatt, T Dell, Boutte, Skowronek, Quez Watkins, Greg Dortch, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, F Monroe, Juwan, Musgrave
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker

picks-
2024- 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,5,5
2025 1,1,1,2,3,4,5

team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
2022: 8-1
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd :wall:
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Minshew, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2026 5th rounder lol

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby hockeyBjj » Wed May 30, 2018 12:59 pm

Traded the 1.02 and 2.10 for Hunt.
Call me crazy, but I actually like Guice more than Hunt. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Guice has the better 2018 and career than Hunt. I see this as even and would prefer the picks side

Traded the 3.10 for Engram.
This one is incredibly dumb. Other owner dyslexic and think he was getting the 1.3? lol

Traded Jay Ajayi and a 2020 2nd (it's his so it should be 2.10 to 2.12)
for a 2019 2nd (it's a rebuilding squad so it's top 5 in round 2) and a 2020 1st (rebuilding squad so probably top 5).


I don't think he won this one at all. I would for sure take Ajayi over a 2020 1st unless that thing was 1000% the 1.1

Traded a 2019 and 2020 1sts (they're his, so they'll be bottom 3 in round 1 or thereabouts) and Donte Moncrief for Amari Cooper

Close here. Not sure I'd pay two 1sts for Cooper at this moment
Team 1- 10 team ppr, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flx, 1D, 1K
2022: 1-8
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Achane, Charbonnet, Algier, McBride, waiver trash
WR: JSN, QJ, Addison, Dotson, Skyy Moore, Jameson Williams, Hyatt, T Dell, Boutte, Skowronek, Quez Watkins, Greg Dortch, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, F Monroe, Juwan, Musgrave
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker

picks-
2024- 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,5,5
2025 1,1,1,2,3,4,5

team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
2022: 8-1
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd :wall:
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Minshew, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2026 5th rounder lol

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby sloth8u » Wed May 30, 2018 9:46 pm

I believe leaguesafe will refund you if you contact them.

You dont want to be the "new guy" comming in and complaining, but clearly that engram trade is laughable in terms of value.

All you can ask is that leaguemates keep up with value. You can hope for a fair shake and competitive league, but you cant forcé who owners deal with. Or who they cut deals to in Some instances.

From experience, ive stuck around a few leagues like this, and after finally deciding to leave.... It was such a relief. No more headbanging as to why someone would make such ridiculous trades with the same team over and over again.

If your unhappy now, and feel things wont change, id leave now. No use delaying the inevitable. Plus you may find exactly what your looking for if you part ways now.

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby TheTroll » Thu May 31, 2018 1:57 am

Do the owners know each other or is everyone strangers (maybe hard to know). The dude has a stacked roster for sure but the only way to get that way is to draft and get lucky or trades...trust me I know. This guy must have the power of persuasion on his side. It’s an art form. He is even trading for future picks (projected high) to keep the juice running.

One could argue, my team is just like his (or better) and all of my league are close personal friends so I know those guys would never collude with me ever. With that said, this way I see it possible how he got this roster.
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def

QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed, Bateman
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE

Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker

Picks
2024: 1.07, 2.06, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex

QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: Achane, K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Willis, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Demercado, Vaughn

Picks
2024: 0.0 (Blutarski)
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby sloth8u » Thu May 31, 2018 3:13 am

TheTroll wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 1:57 am Do the owners know each other or is everyone strangers (maybe hard to know). The dude has a stacked roster for sure but the only way to get that way is to draft and get lucky or trades...trust me I know. This guy must have the power of persuasion on his side. It’s an art form. He is even trading for future picks (projected high) to keep the juice running.

One could argue, my team is just like his (or better) and all of my league are close personal friends so I know those guys would never collude with me ever. With that said, this way I see it possible how he got this roster.
We can all understand where your going with this. But Some will say that you can build good teams without getting over on your leaguemates.... Which is the discusion here.

Ive personally never had a problem with the owner whos stacked, but the other owners in the league who keep feeding them.

Note troll keeps picking 1.1 or having múltiple early picks (in general). Not his fault, but what are his leaguemates thinking. The issues isnt the owner, but the leaguemates.

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby TheTroll » Thu May 31, 2018 9:30 pm

sloth8u wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 3:13 am
TheTroll wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 1:57 am Do the owners know each other or is everyone strangers (maybe hard to know). The dude has a stacked roster for sure but the only way to get that way is to draft and get lucky or trades...trust me I know. This guy must have the power of persuasion on his side. It’s an art form. He is even trading for future picks (projected high) to keep the juice running.

One could argue, my team is just like his (or better) and all of my league are close personal friends so I know those guys would never collude with me ever. With that said, this way I see it possible how he got this roster.
We can all understand where your going with this. But Some will say that you can build good teams without getting over on your leaguemates.... Which is the discusion here.

Ive personally never had a problem with the owner whos stacked, but the other owners in the league who keep feeding them.

Note troll keeps picking 1.1 or having múltiple early picks (in general). Not his fault, but what are his leaguemates thinking. The issues isnt the owner, but the leaguemates.

It’s luck and an art form. I never trade the year of. It’s 1-2 years in advance these deals are done. Sure it’s easy to play Monday morning QB now but, my deals were not stupid at the time...it just worked out.

With that said the league is clearly hesitant to deal with me moving forward even if it clearly makes them better. I will continue to trade (try) for futures if I can.
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def

QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed, Bateman
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE

Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker

Picks
2024: 1.07, 2.06, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex

QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: Achane, K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Willis, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Demercado, Vaughn

Picks
2024: 0.0 (Blutarski)
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby sloth8u » Thu May 31, 2018 10:51 pm

Didn't you trade 1.3 and dmart for Davis and future 1st? Maybe it wasn't you, but if so... Your partner was clearly not aware that Davis is ranked around 25, 1.3 around 40, and Martin isn't even in the top 200.

As you mention... Who knows how that (or any) trade works out, but very blah in terms of your leaguemates part in knowing current player value.

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby playa_hata » Thu May 31, 2018 10:58 pm

not sure any of those trades are unfair besides the engram one. Melvin, Jarvis, Doctson and Kyle rudolph for Odell and mariota is fair to me
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TM1
QB: Rodgers, Rivers, Dak, Dalton, Smith
RB: Zeke, CMC, Jacobs, Chubb, Gore, Dearnest
WR: Davante Adams, Tyreek, Fuller, Aj Brown, AB, MVS, Fulgham, Ward, Fitz, Beasley, amendola, zaccheus
TE: Ertz, Engram, Fells

TM2
QB: Rodgers, Baker, Stafford, Bridgewater
RB:Kamara, Chubb, Hunt, Singletary
WR:M Evans,D Adams,Kupp, AJ brown, lockett, sanders,miller, Patrick, Robinson, Hamilton, Lasley, D.Robinson, Trey Quinn, Scantling, agholor
TE: Kelce, Rudolph, Irv smith, gronk, Burton

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby TheTroll » Thu May 31, 2018 10:59 pm

sloth8u wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 10:51 pm Didn't you trade 1.3 and dmart for Davis and future 1st? Maybe it wasn't you, but if so... Your partner was clearly not aware that Davis is ranked around 25, 1.3 around 40, and Martin isn't even in the top 200.

As you mention... Who knows how that (or any) trade works out, but very blah in terms of your leaguemates part in knowing


I traded 1.03, Crowell and K white for Davis, 2018 3rd and 2019 1st
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def

QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed, Bateman
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE

Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker

Picks
2024: 1.07, 2.06, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex

QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: Achane, K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Willis, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Demercado, Vaughn

Picks
2024: 0.0 (Blutarski)
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby sloth8u » Thu May 31, 2018 11:41 pm

TheTroll wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 10:59 pm
sloth8u wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 10:51 pm Didn't you trade 1.3 and dmart for Davis and future 1st? Maybe it wasn't you, but if so... Your partner was clearly not aware that Davis is ranked around 25, 1.3 around 40, and Martin isn't even in the top 200.

As you mention... Who knows how that (or any) trade works out, but very blah in terms of your leaguemates part in knowing


I traded 1.03, Crowell and K white for Davis, 2018 3rd and 2019 1st
My bad
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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby Kleva1 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:46 am

Does your league have a chat? I play with friends so we have a Facebook group chat where every trade is talked about and people voting on who was the winner. There are still bad trades that happen but at least with the chat you can express your opinion and try to help others be more competitive by sharing your analysis. Some people just don’t want to put that much effort into it and that’s where the bad trades come from.

Like others have said, I never protest a trade because others seem to always have a different value for players than I do.

When looking back at trades from other years that I thought were lopsided I’ve noticed they don’t always turn out the way you thought they were going to.
12 team contract/salary cap 0.5PPR, 6pt Pass Td, Cap increases 5% each yr, salaries increase 10% each yr, cutting penalties by years remaining, rookie line draft and FA auctions

24 man roster - 1Qb/2RB/2WR/1TE/2Flex/K/Def
Salary Cap $1145
Cap room available -$47

The Gurley Girls (2018):
QB - Tom Brady ($125, 1yrs), Phillip Rivers ($62, 3Yrs), Lamar Jackson ($15, 3 yrs)
RB - Gurley ($131, 3 yrs) Hyde ($81, 2 yrs) Joe Mixon ($44, 2 yrs), Jamaal Williams ($22, 2 yrs) Duke Johnson ($25, 3 yrs) John Kelly ($10, 3 yrs)
WR- Watkins ($106, 4 yrs) Michael Thomas ($47, 4 yrs) Stefon Diggs ($14, 3 yrs) Jamison Crowder ($10, 2 yrs) DeVante Parker ($58, 3 yrs) Martavis Bryant ($11, 4 yrs), Doug Baldwin ($41, 4 yrs) Corey Davis ($55, 2 yrs), Michael Gallup ($20, 3 yrs) Marquez Scantling-Valdes ($1, 5 yrs)
TE - Eric Ebron ($63, 2 yrs) Greg Olsen ($125, 1 yr)

Picks: 2019 - 3rd
Picks 2020 - 2nd, 3rd

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:47 am

I think we lost sight of something here. We got way bogged down in Amari for two late future firsts (which is a huge win for him), OBJ and a future early first and second for Melvin Gordon, Landry, Doctson, and Rudolph (another huge win for him), and the Ajayi trade, which seems fair.

This guy got Evan Engram for 3.10. EVAN ENGRAM FOR 3.10.

If somebody had just posted that somebody in their league traded Evan Engram for 3.10, the reaction would’ve been different. I’d try to get an explanation for THAT trade, because I can’t think of one beyond collusion or an owner who has no business in the league.
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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby sloth8u » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:29 am

OhCruelestRanter wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:47 am I think we lost sight of something here. We got way bogged down in Amari for two late future firsts (which is a huge win for him), OBJ and a future early first and second for Melvin Gordon, Landry, Doctson, and Rudolph (another huge win for him), and the Ajayi trade, which seems fair.

This guy got Evan Engram for 3.10. EVAN ENGRAM FOR 3.10.

If somebody had just posted that somebody in their league traded Evan Engram for 3.10, the reaction would’ve been different. I’d try to get an explanation for THAT trade, because I can’t think of one beyond collusion or an owner who has no business in the league.
I'm in full agreement. Just sucks the fun out of the league imo. There are so many leagues out there that have everyone up to speed on value, that its pointless to play in a league that isn't like that imo. Assuming that's what your looking for.

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Re: Confronted with the temptation to protest a trade

Postby thebeast » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:43 pm

I think the easy answer is to start sending out some trade offers!


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