Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby bsp27 » Sat May 26, 2018 11:39 pm

ericanadian wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 7:37 pm Seems like this year's Markus Wheaton. I don't really understand the big contract, but there's a couple of these every year.
see the difference is Albert Wilson is actually good
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sat May 26, 2018 11:41 pm

Phaded wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 7:45 am I think flier is more of an appropriate term than sleeper. I think you could also argue that Amendola fills the Landry role better than Wilson. Neither are as good as Landry.
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby ericanadian » Sun May 27, 2018 6:28 am

bsp27 wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 11:39 pm
ericanadian wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 7:37 pm Seems like this year's Markus Wheaton. I don't really understand the big contract, but there's a couple of these every year.
see the difference is Albert Wilson is actually good
Based on what? Statistically, not much separates the two.

Wilson 1,544 Yds 7 TDs 198 Tgts
Wheaton (in PIT) 1,508 Yds 8 TDs 187 Tgts

What about Wilson's tape makes you think he's special?
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun May 27, 2018 8:53 am

ericanadian wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 7:37 pm Seems like this year's Markus Wheaton. I don't really understand the big contract, but there's a couple of these every year.
Yeah, I'd put more in the contract size meaning something if it were a quality organization I trusted. The Dolphins won an unexpected bidding war, but that would have mor meaning if I knew who was involved.

An interesting question will be how much rope to give him if he does nothing immediately. In the preseason if he doesn't get talked up by the hype machine know as the Dolphins coaching staff? If he does nothing the first few games? Wait until the playoffs for a new 2019 flier?
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby bsp27 » Mon May 28, 2018 12:19 am

ericanadian wrote: Sun May 27, 2018 6:28 am
bsp27 wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 11:39 pm
ericanadian wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 7:37 pm Seems like this year's Markus Wheaton. I don't really understand the big contract, but there's a couple of these every year.
see the difference is Albert Wilson is actually good
Based on what? Statistically, not much separates the two.

Wilson 1,544 Yds 7 TDs 198 Tgts
Wheaton (in PIT) 1,508 Yds 8 TDs 187 Tgts

What about Wilson's tape makes you think he's special?

He was a dominant college producer with good athleticism and has been extremely efficient in every opportunity in the NFL. While it was a somewhat meaningless game, he caught 10 of 11 targets for 147 yards in week 17 last year as a starter.

Also, this:
Johnny Canuck wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 8:16 am

If you haven't read the recent articles by FantasyPros or Razzball about Wilson, I highly suggest taking 5 minutes to do it. They make a very compelling argument.

https://www.fantasypros.com/2018/05/ver ... -football/

https://football.razzball.com/buy-alber ... ll-formats

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Missed Tackles Forced per Reception (Including Post Season):

Golden Tate: 0.24

Michael Thomas: 0.14

Jarvis Landry: 0.15

Albert Wilson: 0.36 (!)

Cooper Kupp: 0.23
Time to start the hype train
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby playa_hata » Mon May 28, 2018 12:42 am

Johnny Canuck wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 8:16 am I have him firmly in sleeper territory. No one is on to him yet, so get him while you can for cheappppppp.

Spent my 3.11 rookie/FA pick to snag him.

The only time NFL teams can't lie to you is after FA or the Draft. You can loosely gauge the teams interest in a player based on the round they were drafted, or the money spent in FA to acquire that player...and the Fins spent a fair bit on Albert Wilson. For anyone that doesn't know, Albert Wilson signed a 3 yr 24 million contract (for ref Amendola signed a 2 yr 12 million contact). Not only that, but the Fins didn't take one WR in the draft.

Factor in the personal that the Fins currently plan to utilize...Stills is just a downfield threat, Gase seems to dislike Parker/NTM Parker appears that he will never take the next step (Michael Floyd V2.0), and Amendola is perpetually injured. It appears as of now, that the Landry role (or at least a poor mans version of it) is Wilsons, and it's up to him to keep it. The only real competition for those slot targets would come from Gesicki imo, but he's a rookie TE so it's hard to realistically pencil him in for a ton of volume.

If you haven't read the recent articles by FantasyPros or Razzball about Wilson, I highly suggest taking 5 minutes to do it. They make a very compelling argument.

https://www.fantasypros.com/2018/05/ver ... -football/

https://football.razzball.com/buy-alber ... ll-formats

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Missed Tackles Forced per Reception (Including Post Season):

Golden Tate: 0.24

Michael Thomas: 0.14

Jarvis Landry: 0.15

Albert Wilson: 0.36 (!)

Cooper Kupp: 0.23
Time to start the hype train
i like the take but i would basically call gesicki drafting a reciever
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby zelldawg26 » Mon May 28, 2018 7:21 am

He's a good player and definitely rosterable in a 14 team league or depending on how deep your roster is. He lies in between receivers that have other sleeper potential such as a Tyler Boyd or Chad Williams, which both own a higher draft cap, just not the expensive contract. Just another player to keep our eyes on.
As much as I would be happy to see Landrys numbers come out of Wilson and do believe that Landry was a product of Miami's system, with Amendola in there as well, it's just tough right now figuring out the usage and depth that he'll be utilized. Great job on your post though and hopefully he can live up to a WR3-WR4 stat line.
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby Pullo Vision » Mon May 28, 2018 8:57 am

http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost. ... receivers/

"Wilson said Stills understands every aspect of the offense and has helped him as he’s studied the new playbook. Like Stills, Wilson is expected to know every receiver route on every play because the Dolphins can use him inside and outside."

So, it's not necessarily an either/or vs Amendola for slot duties, as it's been suggested.
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:34 am

http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost. ... s-offense/
During the spring, receivers coach Ben Johnson pointed out the versatility Wilson provides.

“It’s really triggered us to say he’s not limited in the slot, he’s not limited outside,” Johnson said. “He can line up in the backfield. He can do so many different things for us. His versatility is really, really showing up.”

Johnson said he was impressed by how quickly Wilson picked up Miami’s system when “he wasn’t really doing the same thing in Kansas City.”

Wilson had only three rushing attempts for 6 yards last season. That’s about to change.

“His speed is hard to ignore,” Gase said. “We saw first-hand how fast he is and what he can do, how he can stretch the field vertically. When you put the ball in his hands, he makes plays. I don’t think I’ve seen too many wide receivers where a team is actually handing the ball off to him and he’s running between the tackles.”
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby Servo » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:25 pm

He's a fine player to pick up when others are drafting those 4th, 5th+ round receivers at the end of drafts.

He may turn out to be a zero but so do a lot of rookie WRs.

Ryan Grant may also be someone to keep an eye out for, in a similar situation to Wilson.

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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby GridironGuerilla » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:44 am

I picked him up in a couple leagues but have no real hope of him evolving into much more than by week or injury depth. Parker + Stills + Amendola + Drake + the drafting of Gesiki + (and possibly the most important factor) Tannehill = Me not very inspired for Wilson.
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby BrentMayFF » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:00 pm

ericanadian wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 7:37 pm Seems like this year's Markus Wheaton. I don't really understand the big contract, but there's a couple of these every year.
Like Robert Woods last year? :D

I have no doubt Wilson will have some big games, but also think the will be very inconsistent. I'd say he might be worth a late round flyer in a deep best ball league.

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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby hockeyBjj » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:01 pm

He's not a bad deep flier to take by anymeans, but trying to justify from the angle of the $$$ paid as a sign of talent goes out the window when the team forking up the cash is the Miami Dolphins. Not the group of people I'd trust to accurately declare a player's value and usage
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby Pullo Vision » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:55 pm

hockeyBjj wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:01 pm He's not a bad deep flier to take by anymeans, but trying to justify from the angle of the $$$ paid as a sign of talent goes out the window when the team forking up the cash is the Miami Dolphins. Not the group of people I'd trust to accurately declare a player's value and usage
One of the reasons I haven't been hyper excited about him. But, one of the articles listed above addresses that-
The Kansas City Chiefs tried to lowball him into a return. Ex-KC personnel guy, now Colts GM Chris Ballard, knew full well about Albert Wilson, and he wanted in. 2017 KC offensive coordinator, now Chicago Bears head man, Matt Nagy really wanted Wilson too. In order for Wilson to turn away from all his Kansas City connections, the Dolphins were going to have to pay up, and they did.
Now, I haven't heard Chicago and Indy wanted him, but I don't catch every bit of news.

Someone else pointed out Tannehill's presence is a reason for pessimism. I'm not high on Tannehill, but I think a WR can still be useful fantasy wise with a crappy QB. Heck, Bortles had productive WRs despite himself.
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Re: Sleeper - Albert Wilson?

Postby ninotoreS » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:42 am

Some interesting developments with Wilson.

- He's the WR4 so far in training-camp
- Amendola is the starter in the slot
- Parker has been crap, reportedly
- Gase doesn't think Albert Wilson is a slot-receiver
- considering the above, some are speculating now that Wilson has been signed to replace Parker on the outside next year
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