Matthew Stafford Thread - Year 13 Rejuvenated in LA?

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

I haven't looked at Stafford in depth, but at a glance, he had 17.7 PPG (QB10) last year. Garoppolo averaged 18.8 PPG (QB8) from weeks 14-16 last year despite starting only a few weeks after being traded to a new team. Small sample size, but I'd argue that Garoppolo's floor with Shanahan is Stafford, but his ceiling is far higher.

[Phaded]

Reading into small sample sizes for quarterbacks and trying to extrapolate it is incredibly risky. It backfires more often than not.

Also not sure why you are averaging out only 3 of his starts instead of 5.

[trc]

I haven't looked at Stafford in depth, but at a glance, he had 17.7 PPG (QB10) last year. Garoppolo averaged 18.8 PPG (QB8) from weeks 14-16 last year despite starting only a few weeks after being traded to a new team. Small sample size, but I'd argue that Garoppolo's floor with Shanahan is Stafford, but his ceiling is far higher.

Haven't bothered checking up, but recall Tebow came out guns blasing the first games he actually had the start.

[ericanadian]

I haven't looked at Stafford in depth, but at a glance, he had 17.7 PPG (QB10) last year. Garoppolo averaged 18.8 PPG (QB8) from weeks 14-16 last year despite starting only a few weeks after being traded to a new team. Small sample size, but I'd argue that Garoppolo's floor with Shanahan is Stafford, but his ceiling is far higher.

Stafford from week 9-11 averaged 21 and change and just over 20 in the first three weeks of the season. If Jimmy GQ can average 18.8 without cherry picking weeks and actually putting up a full 16 game slate then that's something. Taking a nice run at the tail end of the season and crowing about 1.1 PPG seems a bit premature.

[FantasyFreak]

I haven't looked at Stafford in depth, but at a glance, he had 17.7 PPG (QB10) last year. Garoppolo averaged 18.8 PPG (QB8) from weeks 14-16 last year despite starting only a few weeks after being traded to a new team. Small sample size, but I'd argue that Garoppolo's floor with Shanahan is Stafford, but his ceiling is far higher.

I'd argue back. Sorry, not buying that take. Right now Stafford's established ceiling is 4900 plus yards and 41 TD's. Not sure how you get a lot higher than that. 8 straight seasons of 4000 Yards etc. Comments like this honestly make me feel that Jimmy G, while e a nice looking QB is one of the most overrated players in all of Dynasty at the moment. Stafford last year threw for 4446 yards wth a 29/10 TD/INT ratio. That's Jimmy G's floor after 5 starts with his team and 7 starts on his career going into his first season as a starter? Sorry, with all due respect, not buying it.

[snaps06]

Stafford last year shot 7x under 250,
6x with 1 or less TDs
3x with 3 or more
17 turn overs
11x unde 300 passing yards

so let's not get carried away with him being a solid QB 1

their was maybe 2x he could have won you a week

Week 1 vs Arizona
and week 17 of your league goes that long

Since this data was cherry-picked, I will cherry-pick my own.

Only twice all year in 2017 did he both miss 250 yards and 2 TDs at the same time. He either threw for 250+, or he threw at least 2 TDs in the other 15 games. Shoot, he had 0 TDs in week 8, but had 423 yards. He's almost as consistent as QBs come. Elite QB1 for fantasy? No. Cheap, consistent, high-floor, and won't cost you games? Yes.

1 ARI 292 4
2 @NYG 122 2
3 ATL 264 1
4 @MIN 209 0
5 CAR 229 2
6 @NO 312 3
7 BYE
8 PIT 423 0
9 @GB 361 2
10 CLE 249 3
11 @CHI 299 2
12 MIN 250 2
13 @BAL 292 1
14 @TB 381 1
15 CHI 237 2
16 @CIN 203 1
17 GB 323 3

[FantasyFreak]

They need to add a Mr. Burns style emoji. I love the way this thread is going.

[ninotoreS]

and Prescott's and Jimmy G's aren't?

What does this have to do with my point? I wasn't talking about these two in conjunction with Stafford in any way.

I'd argue that Garoppolo's floor with Shanahan is Stafford, but his ceiling is far higher.

1.) Stafford's ceiling is 5k yards and 40 TDs, because he's literally done that already. 2.) I like Jimmy a lot, very optimistic about him, but to assert that a guy who's only started a handful of NFL games is already practically guaranteed to be no worse than equal to a legitimate franchise quarterback with elite arm-talent that hasn't thrown for less than 4.2k yards in a season since 2011 is just fanboyism. Jimmy is very promising. That is not the same thing as proven.

Only twice all year in 2017 did he both miss 250 yards and 2 TDs at the same time. He either threw for 250+, or he threw at least 2 TDs in the other 15 games.

Yes, but this isn't the point you seem to think it is. If your QB in fantasy throws for 250 yards but no TDs, that hurts. A lot. Especially if there's some picks thrown in for some negative points, which prior to Cooter was a common theme of Stafford's Sundays.

Look, I've owned Stafford in dynasty for years. Before Cooter, he was borderline maddening week-to-week -- so many weeks with lots of yards but no TDs, or a decent amount of yards and a brace of TDs spoiled by three turnovers, etc and so forth.

With Cooter, he's a reliable mid-QB1, finally. But let's not overstate it.

[joeya2001]

I haven't looked at Stafford in depth, but at a glance, he had 17.7 PPG (QB10) last year. Garoppolo averaged 18.8 PPG (QB8) from weeks 14-16 last year despite starting only a few weeks after being traded to a new team. Small sample size, but I'd argue that Garoppolo's floor with Shanahan is Stafford, but his ceiling is far higher.

I'd argue back. Sorry, not buying that take. Right now Stafford's established ceiling is 4900 plus yards and 41 TD's. Not sure how you get a lot higher than that. 8 straight seasons of 4000 Yards etc. Comments like this honestly make me feel that Jimmy G, while e a nice looking QB is one of the most overrated players in all of Dynasty at the moment. Stafford last year threw for 4446 yards wth a 29/10 TD/INT ratio. That's Jimmy G's floor after 5 starts with his team and 7 starts on his career going into his first season as a starter? Sorry, with all due respect, not buying it.

let not forget he had 7 fumbles as well, QBs take both sides of the turnovers.

[joeya2001]

Stafford last year shot 7x under 250,
6x with 1 or less TDs
3x with 3 or more
17 turn overs
11x unde 300 passing yards

so let's not get carried away with him being a solid QB 1

their was maybe 2x he could have won you a week

Week 1 vs Arizona
and week 17 of your league goes that long

Since this data was cherry-picked, I will cherry-pick my own.

Only twice all year in 2017 did he both miss 250 yards and 2 TDs at the same time. He either threw for 250+, or he threw at least 2 TDs in the other 15 games. Shoot, he had 0 TDs in week 8, but had 423 yards. He's almost as consistent as QBs come. Elite QB1 for fantasy? No. Cheap, consistent, high-floor, and won't cost you games? Yes.

1 ARI 292 4
2 @NYG 122 2
3 ATL 264 1
4 @MIN 209 0
5 CAR 229 2
6 @NO 312 3
7 BYE
8 PIT 423 0
9 @GB 361 2
10 CLE 249 3
11 @CHI 299 2
12 MIN 250 2
13 @BAL 292 1
14 @TB 381 1
15 CHI 237 2
16 @CIN 203 1
17 GB 323 3

250 yards and no TDs is nothing to get excited about, my stats were more valid. even the worst of QBs can do that.

[ericanadian]

and Prescott's and Jimmy G's aren't?

What does this have to do with my point? I wasn't talking about these two in conjunction with Stafford in any way.

I'd argue that Garoppolo's floor with Shanahan is Stafford, but his ceiling is far higher.

1.) Stafford's ceiling is 5k yards and 40 TDs, because he's literally done that already. 2.) I like Jimmy a lot, very optimistic about him, but to assert that a guy who's only started a handful of NFL games is already practically guaranteed to be no worse than equal to a legitimate franchise quarterback with elite arm-talent that hasn't thrown for less than 4.2k yards in a season since 2011 is just fanboyism. Jimmy is very promising. That is not the same thing as proven.

Only twice all year in 2017 did he both miss 250 yards and 2 TDs at the same time. He either threw for 250+, or he threw at least 2 TDs in the other 15 games.

Yes, but this isn't the point you seem to think it is. If your QB in fantasy throws for 250 yards but no TDs, that hurts. A lot. Especially if there's some picks thrown in for some negative points, which prior to Cooter was a common theme of Stafford's Sundays.

Look, I've owned Stafford in dynasty for years. Before Cooter, he was borderline maddening week-to-week -- so many weeks with lots of yards but no TDs, or a decent amount of yards and a brace of TDs spoiled by three turnovers, etc and so forth.

With Cooter, he's a reliable mid-QB1, finally. But let's not overstate it.

He would have a few bad games for interceptions, but overall he's been in the top half of the league in terms of int% for all but one year since 2011 after his injury. That still led to a fairly high interception number because he just threw so many attempts.

[joeya2001]

So 7/16 Games he plays are not what id call QB1
2 @NYG 122 2
3 ATL 264 1
4 @MIN 209 0
5 CAR 229 2
13 @BAL 292 1
15 CHI 237 2
16 @CIN 203 1

These are more along the lines of QB1
1 ARI 292 4
6 @NO 312 3
8 PIT 423 0 (the yards are nice but no TDs??)
9 @GB 361 2
17 GB 323 3

and the rest are serviceable.

[Vcize]

Stafford was QB3 and QB6 in two leagues I just looked him up in, so Top 5 type guy in his positional prime seems like a better choice than a guy 3-4 years younger with a handful of good games under his belt.

Not sure how your scoring system differs to get him that high but in my league with pretty typical QB scoring (25 yards/pt, 4 pt TDs, -2 pt INT) Stafford was QB7 overall and QB10 PPG.

[Vcize]

and Prescott's and Jimmy G's aren't?

What does this have to do with my point? I wasn't talking about these two in conjunction with Stafford in any way.

I'd argue that Garoppolo's floor with Shanahan is Stafford, but his ceiling is far higher.

1.) Stafford's ceiling is 5k yards and 40 TDs, because he's literally done that already. 2.) I like Jimmy a lot, very optimistic about him, but to assert that a guy who's only started a handful of NFL games is already practically guaranteed to be no worse than equal to a legitimate franchise quarterback with elite arm-talent that hasn't thrown for less than 4.2k yards in a season since 2011 is just fanboyism. Jimmy is very promising. That is not the same thing as proven.

Only twice all year in 2017 did he both miss 250 yards and 2 TDs at the same time. He either threw for 250+, or he threw at least 2 TDs in the other 15 games.

Yes, but this isn't the point you seem to think it is. If your QB in fantasy throws for 250 yards but no TDs, that hurts. A lot. Especially if there's some picks thrown in for some negative points, which prior to Cooter was a common theme of Stafford's Sundays.

Look, I've owned Stafford in dynasty for years. Before Cooter, he was borderline maddening week-to-week -- so many weeks with lots of yards but no TDs, or a decent amount of yards and a brace of TDs spoiled by three turnovers, etc and so forth.

With Cooter, he's a reliable mid-QB1, finally. But let's not overstate it.

He would have a few bad games for interceptions, but overall he's been in the top half of the league in terms of int% for all but one year since 2011 after his injury. That still led to a fairly high interception number because he just threw so many attempts.

Yeah but fantasy points work on volume of INTs, not INTs per attempt.

[KMA]

It has been 5 years since the last post in here. I am finally ready to admit he is not the elite quarterback I thought he was. That is all.