2018 Running Back Report

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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby JSylvester87 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:32 pm

I think Bot should of been an NFL GM this year since he knows so much about how amazing Guice is.
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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby dynastyninja » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:39 pm

Haven't been following the discussion, but I thought Guice looked really good in the one preseason appearance. I have zero concerns that he will translate fully to the NFL.

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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby notweswelker » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:49 am

Bot101 wrote: Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:06 pm
0LDMAN wrote: Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:06 pm
Bot101 wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:00 pm Guice >>> KJ. Sorry Johnson riders. Need more than limited touches to change my opinion. Lamar Miller looked amazing with limited touches. And as a workhorse he couldnt handle it. Give KJ workhorse touches and he will fall apart quicker than most.
There seems to be an interesting dichotomy at play, where in one short paragraph you write one player off for injuries that have not yet occurred, and proclaim another player (who is already seriously injured) is three times greater.
My greater than was referring to talent. Any RB will look better than they actually are on limited touches. I like Johnson as a player. But this notion that he’s better or worth more than Guice after 4 weeks of limited touches is utterly ridiculous in a dynasty setting. I’m not writing anyone off, but people need to just knock it off. It’s so annoying how immediately players value sky rockets or plummets based off minimal sample size. Months of research are thrown out the window for the shiny toy you can see now. Kerryon at 1.02 is stupid. Ridley has now demonstrated he was the WR in this class to get! More like get lost. Have some patience and let’s see what happens over a season and maybe even 2 and let’s revisite the conversation. I’ll be happy to say I was wrong if time proves it.

I have my opinions on Guice and his knee that was the same one that was injured last year. You’re welcome to look through my post history if you care to find it.
The talent evaluation was fine, but you specifically spoke about not being able to handle a workload, which was a little ironic.
I get that most people had Guice at #2 behind Barkley, but I had him at #3 with KJ over him. Consensus had Penny at #3 and KJ around #7 for RBs, we don't all see it the same. I liked KJ more because of his younger breakout age coupled with his line adjusted performance. LSU had a much better O-line than did Auburn the year KJ started. Like you said, we'll have plenty of time to see how it plays out, but you should remember we all didn't fall within consensus on draft day, so there's no need to act like everyone is overreacting to a few decent runs.

I just bolded that "limited touches" comment to point out if that is true, Penny owners must be dying inside :lol:
Can he actually look worse than he has?

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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:22 pm

MEuRaH wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:41 am
Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:26 am
Pullo Vision wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:56 amI'd be more interested if you said you'd *eat* a turn sandwich if be "hits".
You got a deal. I will eat a turn sandwich if he hits.
What defines as "hits"? 1000 yards rushing this year?
Sorry I must have overlooked this comment. 1k yards @ 4+ YPC I would define as a "hit" for TS for the purposes of the "bet".

We'll also have to define what a turn sandwich is. Is that a sandwich I eat while turning or how does that work. Does it matter if I’m going left or right?
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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:28 pm

0LDMAN wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:49 am
Bot101 wrote: Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:06 pm
0LDMAN wrote: Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:06 pm

There seems to be an interesting dichotomy at play, where in one short paragraph you write one player off for injuries that have not yet occurred, and proclaim another player (who is already seriously injured) is three times greater.
My greater than was referring to talent. Any RB will look better than they actually are on limited touches. I like Johnson as a player. But this notion that he’s better or worth more than Guice after 4 weeks of limited touches is utterly ridiculous in a dynasty setting. I’m not writing anyone off, but people need to just knock it off. It’s so annoying how immediately players value sky rockets or plummets based off minimal sample size. Months of research are thrown out the window for the shiny toy you can see now. Kerryon at 1.02 is stupid. Ridley has now demonstrated he was the WR in this class to get! More like get lost. Have some patience and let’s see what happens over a season and maybe even 2 and let’s revisite the conversation. I’ll be happy to say I was wrong if time proves it.

I have my opinions on Guice and his knee that was the same one that was injured last year. You’re welcome to look through my post history if you care to find it.
The talent evaluation was fine, but you specifically spoke about not being able to handle a workload, which was a little ironic.
I get that most people had Guice at #2 behind Barkley, but I had him at #3 with KJ over him. Consensus had Penny at #3 and KJ around #7 for RBs, we don't all see it the same. I liked KJ more because of his younger breakout age coupled with his line adjusted performance. LSU had a much better O-line than did Auburn the year KJ started. Like you said, we'll have plenty of time to see how it plays out, but you should remember we all didn't fall within consensus on draft day, so there's no need to act like everyone is overreacting to a few decent runs.

I just bolded that "limited touches" comment to point out if that is true, Penny owners must be dying inside :lol:
Can he actually look worse than he has?
Penny has looked good the last 2 games he's been in, since he cut some weight. I have no worries long term about him.
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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby notweswelker » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:47 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:28 pm
My greater than was referring to talent. Any RB will look better than they actually are on limited touches. I like Johnson as a player. But this notion that he’s better or worth more than Guice after 4 weeks of limited touches is utterly ridiculous in a dynasty setting. I’m not writing anyone off, but people need to just knock it off. It’s so annoying how immediately players value sky rockets or plummets based off minimal sample size.

Penny has looked good the last 2 games he's been in, since he cut some weight. I have no worries long term about him.
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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby FantasyFreakGuru » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:23 pm

Tarik Cohen or Kerryon Johnson?
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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:30 pm

0LDMAN wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:47 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:28 pm
My greater than was referring to talent. Any RB will look better than they actually are on limited touches. I like Johnson as a player. But this notion that he’s better or worth more than Guice after 4 weeks of limited touches is utterly ridiculous in a dynasty setting. I’m not writing anyone off, but people need to just knock it off. It’s so annoying how immediately players value sky rockets or plummets based off minimal sample size.

Penny has looked good the last 2 games he's been in, since he cut some weight. I have no worries long term about him.
You've got to pick a side brotha
Penny will be a good RB. I've already picked a side, based on how I drafted, and what I have said. I don't expect you to know my history. Penny will be a viable FF option in years to come.
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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby Bot101 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:00 pm

FantasyFreakGuru wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:23 pm Tarik Cohen or Kerryon Johnson?
You're kidding right??? Give me KJ all day.

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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby FantasyFreakGuru » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:17 pm

Add a 1st to the Cohen side....
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QB-Cam Newton, Marcus Mariota
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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby Pullo Vision » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:51 pm

FantasyFreakGuru wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:17 pm Add a 1st to the Cohen side....
Not even worth considering unless that 1st is high. Gimme KJ.
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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby Pullo Vision » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:53 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:22 pm
MEuRaH wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:41 am
Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:26 amYou got a deal. I will eat a turn sandwich if he hits.
What defines as "hits"? 1000 yards rushing this year?
Sorry I must have overlooked this comment. 1k yards @ 4+ YPC I would define as a "hit" for TS for the purposes of the "bet".

We'll also have to define what a turn sandwich is. Is that a sandwich I eat while turning or how does that work. Does it matter if I’m going left or right?
Oh no, you ain't getting out that easy. It's turd. Now, whether you want that fecal matter to be yours, a family member's, pet's or stranger's I leave to you.
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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby Pullo Vision » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:56 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:26 am
Pullo Vision wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:56 am
Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:10 am

And if I recall correctly I did set a goal for Turd Sandwich in which I will stop calling him that if he hits it. :lol:
I'd be more interested if you said you'd *eat* a turn sandwich if be "hits".
You got a deal. I will eat a turn sandwich if he hits.
Damn autocorrect. That's turd sandwich, DD!
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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:57 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:56 pm
Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:26 am
Pullo Vision wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:56 am
I'd be more interested if you said you'd *eat* a turn sandwich if be "hits".
You got a deal. I will eat a turn sandwich if he hits.
Damn autocorrect. That's turd sandwich, DD!
Whoa whoa whoa, that is not what we agreed on

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Re: 2018 Running Back Report

Postby notweswelker » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:10 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:57 pm
Pullo Vision wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:56 pm
Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:26 am

You got a deal. I will eat a turn sandwich if he hits.
Damn autocorrect. That's turd sandwich, DD!
Whoa whoa whoa, that is not what we agreed on
Thanks for this report DD.
I don't always agree with your takes but I really appreciate the effort and I found this incredibly valuable. Definitely had me rethinking some of my stances.


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