how do you counter this argument

[joeya2001]

Ive been in talks with owner in my league, they are coming to me asking for Zeke. Ill give you an example, I said to one owner that I'd need Keenen Allen back with something. He said he he cant move Keenen because Rb don't last as long a RB thus they are not as valuable. He counters and said ill give you Kirk Cousins and 1.09. I said that's a joke even in a superflex.

his reply was Kirk will be here way longer after Zeke so Im actually taking a hit here and giving you a first.

I swear im in the only league where either their logic is flawed or mine is.

How do you answer something like that back without being like no not trading sorry.

And then I had another owner offer me

Watkin, Drake and Mahomes, for Zeke

again hes argument was its dynasty im giving you a young starting QB the value is way in your favor.

Sometime I just cant lol most of the league (not me) are good friends and hang out a lot, I feel like they converse and try and take my good players lol

[btv802]

You say, "I appreciate the offer but I'm going to focus on winning the league with Zeke for the next 2-3 years. Enjoy the highly replaceable Kirk Cousins and his long career in the NFL."

Oh wait I just noticed this is SuperFlex. That's not a great offer but it's not a terrible one either TBH.

[Valhalla74]

He's bending logic to tip a trade in his favor. It's his own personal feelings - that's it. I understand we all value players at different levels, but Zeke is a top 5 talent right now, with very little injury history. Sure, there's the suspension stuff, but he's way too talented to just give away. There is no fact to what he's claiming, it's purely speculation. Sometimes you just have to hit the "reject" button and move on if you can't come to a fair trade agreement...

[kamihamster]

"we just value these players differently."

[Phaded]

"we just value these players differently."

x2
Anytime trade talks seem to have a big disparity in how you value players its best to walk away and look elsewhere.

[Madadamus]

The second offer isn’t bad. If Mahomes and Watkins click, it could be lopsided in a year.

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

He counters and said ill give you Kirk Cousins and 1.09. I said that's a joke even in a superflex.

It's really not a joke though...I might need a little bit on top to sweeten the deal, but that's a pretty fair offer for Zeke in superflex. Perhaps you should re-evaluate your own player valuations.

And then I had another owner offer me

Watkin, Drake and Mahomes, for Zeke

I'm very high on Mahomes and would 100% sell Zeke for that in superflex. These offers you're taking offense to are very fair.

If you can't spot the crazy person on the bus...it might be you.

[Jason3123]

His reasoning is bleep but the offers aren't outrageous since it is a superflex league. With Cousins, you probably have 5-8 years of strong QB play. I would not sell Zeke for that though.

The Mahomes/Watkins/Drake isn't bad either, it just depends on your valuation of them. Some people still love Sammy and some people are jerking off to Mahomes daily. Drake is also in line for a big year, so a year from now it could be a massive overpay hypothetically, or all 3 could flop and you'll look dumb.

Also Zeke is super fat. Anyone see the footage of him at Cowboys facility today with Witten? My god. He looks like his linemen.

[Tsunami]

How old is your league? Show him your rookie draft from 2016 where Zeke likely went 1.1 and Goff/Wentz likely went in the 2nd, that will show him empirically what the difference in value between QB and RB is like, just in case he doesn't actually know. But chances are he's just trying to take advantage of you, so counter with Stafford or McCarron for one of his top RBs.

[Vcize]

He counters and said ill give you Kirk Cousins and 1.09. I said that's a joke even in a superflex.

It's really not a joke though...I might need a little bit on top to sweeten the deal, but that's a pretty fair offer for Zeke in superflex. Perhaps you should re-evaluate your own player valuations.

And then I had another owner offer me

Watkin, Drake and Mahomes, for Zeke

I'm very high on Mahomes and would 100% sell Zeke for that in superflex. These offers you're taking offense to are very fair.

If you can't spot the crazy person on the bus...it might be you.

You seem to be treating Superflex like it's 2QB. There is a difference.

Cousins is a 4th-6th round startup pick in superflex. Zeke is a top 5 overall pick. In no way does 1.09 come close to bridging that gap, even if that pick is more like the 1.05 in a non-SF.

[broncohead]

Honestly don't like either trade for you. Your starting lineup will take a big hit. Mahomes deal id try and take out drake and Watkins and add 1 better player.

[ninotoreS]

A QB with a long career doesn't win fantasy championships more effectively than a super blue-chip running-back, bottom line.

The only real goal you have in this game is to win the fantasy championship, and that is a one-year frame of reference, each time. The argument that a solid QB is worth more than a super blue-chip RB just because the former will have a longer career only works in real football. In fantasy, it's flawed. QB1s are more easily replaced than RB1s.

I think the people trying to use this argument with you likely know they're full of bleep. Just say no, man. You don't have to apologize or justify it.

Look, they're gonna use self-serving sales faux-logic. It's allowed. But you're not required to play along as a rube.

[ArrylT]

Guess it all depends on scoring settings & roster requirements.

One SF league I am in, Cousins outscored Elliott in 2016 (didnt mention 2017 since obviously Elliott missed 6 games). So if you can start 2 QB, and with the 1.09 you can get an RB who has RB1 potential (which in a SF seems likely) - then you are killing two birds with 1 stone.

And QB1s are not guaranteed to be more easily replaced than RB1s imho.

[ninotoreS]

And QB1s are not guaranteed to be more easily replaced than RB1s imho.

They are according to ADP, by a vast margin.

One SF league I am in, Cousins outscored Elliott in 2016

You're not considering position relativity.

There were multiple QBs that scored as much or more than Cousins. There was only one RB that scored more than Zeke.

You win your weekly matchup by having a superior line-up. It was much easier to match an opponent starting Cousins than it was to match an opponent starting Zeke.

My own league awards 6 points for passing TDs, so QBs generally score a lot more than RBs. But our league's winner nearly every year is the team with the best RB1 pair.

[ArrylT]

And QB1s are not guaranteed to be more easily replaced than RB1s imho.

They are according to ADP, by a vast margin.

Meh ADP is mis-named. It should be FDP not ADP. Its the first person (who is obviously the highest) who drafts him - and that changes from league to league.

ADP allows you to figure out when it is best to draft a player if you want to make sure you get that player but doesnt guarantee that player is an RB1 or QB1 going forward, unless it has some magical properties I am unaware of.