Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc. (Updated 5/7/18)

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Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc. (Updated 5/7/18)

Postby Oil Boom » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:41 am

Hello all. This is my first offseason in Dynasty and I had such a good time this past season that I decided to take on an Orphan a couple months ago.

This team (12-TM, PPR) is pretty bad, but does have some good pieces to build around (DeAndre Hopkin and Alvin Kamara).

I also hold the 1.01, and was curious if anyone has experience in trading the 1.01 to the 1.02 Owner for a good chunk of change, and then turning to the 1.03 Owner and see if he wants to deal for the 1.02 (which I’ll assume is Guice).

I’ve talked to the 1.02 Owner and he noted that he would possibly give 1.02, Jordan Howard, Tarik Cohen, and Aaron Rodgers for the 1.01. This initial offer is what has me curious if I can keep trading down to accumulate talent instead of just outright trading Saquon for X package (which so far the offers have been underwhelming).

Thanks for any insight!

***** Edit for final haul after trading 1.01 (since I just had the Rookie Draft on 5/7/18):

- 1.03 (Rashad Penny)
- 1.05 (Sony Michel)
- Jordan Howard
- Aaron Rodgers
- Tarik Cohen

I ended up staying put at 1.03 and taking Penny. I talked to the 1.04 Owner, and the most he was willing to give up was a 19' 2nd - which I should have taken since he wanted Nick Chubb the whole time. I was just zoned in on Penny. It's also terrible (not for me) how much Guice seemed to drop since the comments regarding his 3rd down role (or lack of).

That was fun. Hopefully this gives people an idea for future purposes (although earning pick 1.01 is never enjoyable).
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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby ravn88 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:49 am

This could be fun to watch..

Then if you could get a decent TE, moving from 1.02 until 1.05/1.06 then you've kinda made a rebuild into a playoff/contender within one offseason..
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RB: Barkley Zeke CEH J. Robinson D. Freeman Penny
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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby Shcritters » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:50 am

Welcome, and glad you found the forum!

Couple suggestions for you: I’d suggest adding your team to your signature as that will help people evaluate your team and moves as a whole instead of in a vacuum. Also, your league setting play a big part in grade evaluations, so I’d suggest adding that to your sig as well (you said PPR, but is it 4 or 6 pt passing TD’s, passing/rushing/receiving yards per point, IDP or team D, etc).

As to the trade, i would strongly suggest that trade for 1.02 from 1.01. Barkley is going to be special, but picking up a QB1 (potentially THE QB1), a top 20 RB, and a flex starter at RB to move down to 1.02 is a no brainer IMO.

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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby Irbir » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:03 am

The problem is where the perceived tier breaks are. Barkley is in a tier by himself so it’s not surprising you can get a haul for moving down one spot. If the people with the 1.03-1.05 don’t see much difference between Guice, Chubb and Michel then you aren’t going to get much in return, if they are willing to trade at all.

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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby flashgordon12 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:08 am

I'd see if you can make that trade for Kamara instead...
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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby John Paul » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:14 am

I would definitely take that trade offer if I had the 1.01. Rodgers is FF gold when he's playing, Howard is a solid RB. However, Cohen is potentially a stud in waiting in PPR formats.
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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby Oil Boom » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:15 am

Thanks for the great advice so far, everyone!

To me, as it stands right now, Barkley and Guice have a pretty good amount of 'hype' - despite not knowing where their landing spot is.

The 1.03 is a pick that will most likely come down to Nick Chubb or Sony Michel. Currently not knowing who is the 1.03 seems to work in my favor. This could possibly create a little bit of struggle in the 1.03 Owner, and he may be willing to overextend an offer to ensure he gets Guice.

Pick 1.03 is the perfect pick to have AFTER the Draft since there is a good bet at least one RB ends up in a very, very good destination.

Obviously, I'm just spitballing here, and I would definitely reach out to the other Owners to have a trade lined up. It's just kinda fun to think about, haha.

Thanks again!

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Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:17 am

I think savvy 1.01 owners could make a killing with this strategy. The 1.01 is going for so much you can get your own version of the Herschel Walker or Ricky Williams deals. With the right few moves, trading the 1.01 can completely turn around a rebuild much more quickly than simply drafting Saquon. Barkley is an amazing prospect, but his assumed production has already been built into his cost, so there is much more risk drafting him as opposed to selling him for a Kings Ransom, despite the fact he is a very "safe" prospect.
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Postby clarion contrarion » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:49 am

I would break the accept button doing the rodgers deal - as for the person that suggested kamara ... WTF ? no no no take roidgers and the rest and if you wish to trade down further explore it and then see what it brings and if it doesn't bring enough just take guice or chubb or whomever you like best . You will have already crushed it in exploiting barkley's value .

I have been around here a good while and you are the first person that has posed that strategy so perhaps you should be giving advice rather than seeking it - well done bud!
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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:27 am

clarion contrarion wrote: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:49 am I would break the accept button doing the rodgers deal - as for the person that suggested kamara ... WTF ? no no no take roidgers and the rest and if you wish to trade down further explore it and then see what it brings and if it doesn't bring enough just take guice or chubb or whomever you like best . You will have already crushed it in exploiting barkley's value .

I have been around here a good while and you are the first person that has posed that strategy so perhaps you should be giving advice rather than seeking it - well done bud!
I second this motion. You are getting far more than Barkley is worth, even if you can't move back further. The guy is ripping himself off. Another thing to consider. If you keep Barkley and he gets hurt, you lose that production. With the other option one of those guys gets hurt you still have another 3 healthy. I would be pushing that offer for Rodgers, Howard 1.02 etc HARD. Even throw in a pick later if it means getting the deal done. It's a ludicrous offer for him to make, and you need to go forward full throttle in getting that, or something similar done.
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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby Phaded » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:30 am

This is a great idea in cashing out on the Barkley hype.
I always try to trade down / trade away my picks for proven assets.
The hit rates of even 1st round rookie picks is still quite low.

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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:41 am

Phaded wrote: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:30 am This is a great idea in cashing out on the Barkley hype.
I always try to trade down / trade away my picks for proven assets.
The hit rates of even 1st round rookie picks is still quite low.
The hype in this case for me is warranted, BUT, the production is not going to equal the deal the OP talked about. Literally 3 starters and a Flex starter in Cohen. I don't think the drop off from Barkley to Guice or Chubb is that dramatic, either. Barkley does have the receiving chops which boost him up, but as pure runners it's not as big a gap as some would have you believe IMO.
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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby Oil Boom » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:20 pm

Whoo, thanks for more opinions. I was hoping someone had experience in this department, haha.

Just an update (and I don’t want to turn this into a trade thread or anything), but the deal was offered and accepted (and is now awaiting league vetoes - if any). The only caveat was I had to add Tyrod Taylor (not a huge loss).

BTW - here is my current lineup (w/pending trade)
QB - Aaron Rodgers
RB - Alvin Kamara
RB - Jordan Howard
WR - DeAndre Hopkins
WR - Kenny Golladay
WR - Jermaine Kearse
TE - Jack Doyle
Flex - Tarik Cohen
Flex - 1.02

The depth is terrible in a 28 man roster. It’s riddled with players like JD McKissic, Mike Gillislee, Seth Roberts, Brian Hill, Christine Michael, and newly retired Danny Woodhead + Martellus Bennettt - who can’t be dropped until the Draft.

Now it’s time to hope the trade goes smooth and look over 1.03s roster. Thanks again, everyone!

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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby kadun2 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:49 pm

Oil Boom wrote: Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:20 pm Whoo, thanks for more opinions. I was hoping someone had experience in this department, haha.

Just an update (and I don’t want to turn this into a trade thread or anything), but the deal was offered and accepted (and is now awaiting league vetoes - if any). The only caveat was I had to add Tyrod Taylor (not a huge loss).

BTW - here is my current lineup (w/pending trade)
QB - Aaron Rodgers
RB - Alvin Kamara
RB - Jordan Howard
WR - DeAndre Hopkins
WR - Kenny Golladay
WR - Jermaine Kearse
TE - Jack Doyle
Flex - Tarik Cohen
Flex - 1
Well the next thing you know old Jed’s a millionaire.....
Oil that is...

Well done!

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Re: Trading down from 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03, etc.

Postby Gtdano_14 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:00 pm

clarion contrarion wrote: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:49 am I would break the accept button doing the rodgers deal - as for the person that suggested kamara ... WTF ? no no no take roidgers and the rest and if you wish to trade down further explore it and then see what it brings and if it doesn't bring enough just take guice or chubb or whomever you like best . You will have already crushed it in exploiting barkley's value .
Yeah, this is a great return for the pick. My best offseason was where I moved from 1.01 to 1.03, acquired a pile of picks and still was able to draft Julio.
Make this trade official if you haven’t already and keep exploring trade possibilities. Rebuild takes years if you aren’t making aggressive moves like this.
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