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Re: Josh Allen

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:48 pm

FWIW, if I were an NFL GM, I would probably take Rosen first (although, I’d be really worried his concussions). Of the other top 5 QBs: Darnold’s turnovers and regression in 2017 are concerning, Allen obviously has the accuracy issues, Jackson has comparable accuracy issues to Allen, and Mayfield is probably the least risky, but I don’t see the high ceiling that the others offer.

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Re: Josh Allen

Postby Jason3123 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:46 pm

Stafford and Ryan did have completion %’s below 60% but Stafford crushed Allen in AYA. Ryan’s senior year was on par with Allen in terms of AYA and % but he wasn’t nearly the raw prospect Allen is. Ryan also threw the ball over 600+ times for over 4,500 yards his senior year. Allen wasn’t nearly the focal point of his offense that Ryan was. Allen was basically hidden by his coaches.

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Re: Josh Allen

Postby XxBallMeBlazerxX » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:01 pm

Jason3123 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:46 pm
Stafford and Ryan did have completion %’s below 60% but Stafford crushed Allen in AYA. Ryan’s senior year was on par with Allen in terms of AYA and % but he wasn’t nearly the raw prospect Allen is. Ryan also threw the ball over 600+ times for over 4,500 yards his senior year. Allen wasn’t nearly the focal point of his offense that Ryan was. Allen was basically hidden by his coaches.
What’s your excuse for Dan Marino and Brett Favre? Both had worse college stats than Allen. And dude if they were trying to hide Allen then he wouldn’t have been the starter. Gtfo of here with that. If they were trying to hide him then they wouldn’t of had him throw down field. They would of had him throw short wide open passes like Mayfield.

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Re: Josh Allen

Postby Jason3123 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:15 pm

XxBallMeBlazerxX wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:01 pm
Jason3123 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:46 pm
Stafford and Ryan did have completion %’s below 60% but Stafford crushed Allen in AYA. Ryan’s senior year was on par with Allen in terms of AYA and % but he wasn’t nearly the raw prospect Allen is. Ryan also threw the ball over 600+ times for over 4,500 yards his senior year. Allen wasn’t nearly the focal point of his offense that Ryan was. Allen was basically hidden by his coaches.
What’s your excuse for Dan Marino and Brett Favre? Both had worse college stats than Allen. And dude if they were trying to hide Allen then he wouldn’t have been the starter. Gtfo of here with that. If they were trying to hide him then they wouldn’t of had him throw down field. They would of had him throw short wide open passes like Mayfield.
Once again your response about Baker sucks and lacks any merit whatsoever. Allen did throw horribly short passes, that's why his Y/A sucks. Favre was a 2nd round pick, not the #1 pick, which is what everyone is arguing in this thread, that Allen shouldn't be the #1 pick..or a 1st round pick in general. Also, congrats on choosing 1 out of a 1,000 QB prospects for your argument. Favre is an outlier. Don't chase outliers.

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Re: Josh Allen

Postby XxBallMeBlazerxX » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:54 pm

Jason3123 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:15 pm
XxBallMeBlazerxX wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:01 pm
Jason3123 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:46 pm
Stafford and Ryan did have completion %’s below 60% but Stafford crushed Allen in AYA. Ryan’s senior year was on par with Allen in terms of AYA and % but he wasn’t nearly the raw prospect Allen is. Ryan also threw the ball over 600+ times for over 4,500 yards his senior year. Allen wasn’t nearly the focal point of his offense that Ryan was. Allen was basically hidden by his coaches.
What’s your excuse for Dan Marino and Brett Favre? Both had worse college stats than Allen. And dude if they were trying to hide Allen then he wouldn’t have been the starter. Gtfo of here with that. If they were trying to hide him then they wouldn’t of had him throw down field. They would of had him throw short wide open passes like Mayfield.
Once again your response about Baker sucks and lacks any merit whatsoever. Allen did throw horribly short passes, that's why his Y/A sucks. Favre was a 2nd round pick, not the #1 pick, which is what everyone is arguing in this thread, that Allen shouldn't be the #1 pick..or a 1st round pick in general. Also, congrats on choosing 1 out of a 1,000 QB prospects for your argument. Favre is an outlier. Don't chase outliers.
Lol ok dude, well let’s hear your reasons why he shouldn’t be the 1st pick or taken in the 1st round, without using stats. Break it down for us kid. Let’s hear it. Why is he so ‘inaccurate’?

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Re: Josh Allen

Postby Jason3123 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:05 pm

My god.

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Re: Josh Allen

Postby Bot101 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:56 pm

XxBallMeBlazerxX wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:54 pm
Jason3123 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:15 pm
XxBallMeBlazerxX wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:01 pm


What’s your excuse for Dan Marino and Brett Favre? Both had worse college stats than Allen. And dude if they were trying to hide Allen then he wouldn’t have been the starter. Gtfo of here with that. If they were trying to hide him then they wouldn’t of had him throw down field. They would of had him throw short wide open passes like Mayfield.
Once again your response about Baker sucks and lacks any merit whatsoever. Allen did throw horribly short passes, that's why his Y/A sucks. Favre was a 2nd round pick, not the #1 pick, which is what everyone is arguing in this thread, that Allen shouldn't be the #1 pick..or a 1st round pick in general. Also, congrats on choosing 1 out of a 1,000 QB prospects for your argument. Favre is an outlier. Don't chase outliers.
Lol ok dude, well let’s hear your reasons why he shouldn’t be the 1st pick or taken in the 1st round, without using stats. Break it down for us kid. Let’s hear it. Why is he so ‘inaccurate’?
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Re: Josh Allen

Postby myndflyte » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:09 am

Ok now this is just getting to new levels of ridiculousness.
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QB: Rodgers, Prescott, Bradford, Lauletta (R)
RB: Gordon, Ajayi, Collins, Yeldon, J. Rodgers, Perine, Cunningham, Darkwa, Clement, Grant, Martin, Turbin, Adams (R)
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Re: Josh Allen

Postby tresskid84 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:33 am

lol, can't use data or stats, can't use your eyes because he just accuses you of not watching tape anyway. Reminds me of the political atmosphere at the moment, lol.
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Re: Josh Allen

Postby Gtdano_14 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:14 am

Weeding out the sounds coming from other players, fans, coaches and announcers... If you just close your eyes and listen to him play, he does sound like the first overall pick.
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Re: Josh Allen

Postby Cameron Giles » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:22 am

Forza_Azzurri wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:48 pm
FWIW, if I were an NFL GM, I would probably take Rosen first (although, I’d be really worried his concussions). Of the other top 5 QBs: Darnold’s turnovers and regression in 2017 are concerning, Allen obviously has the accuracy issues, Jackson has comparable accuracy issues to Allen, and Mayfield is probably the least risky, but I don’t see the high ceiling that the others offer.
Darnold did regress, but it wasn't like he went from great college QB to awful college QB. He was still very good last season.

I just don't see how the Browns can pass on him. Granted, this may be the best front office they've had to make a decision like this. But, I really feel like you have to play it "safe" and go with Darnold.

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Re: Josh Allen

Postby ericanadian » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:26 am

XxBallMeBlazerxX wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:01 pm
Jason3123 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:46 pm
Stafford and Ryan did have completion %’s below 60% but Stafford crushed Allen in AYA. Ryan’s senior year was on par with Allen in terms of AYA and % but he wasn’t nearly the raw prospect Allen is. Ryan also threw the ball over 600+ times for over 4,500 yards his senior year. Allen wasn’t nearly the focal point of his offense that Ryan was. Allen was basically hidden by his coaches.
What’s your excuse for Dan Marino and Brett Favre? Both had worse college stats than Allen. And dude if they were trying to hide Allen then he wouldn’t have been the starter. Gtfo of here with that. If they were trying to hide him then they wouldn’t of had him throw down field. They would of had him throw short wide open passes like Mayfield.
I'm not sure Favre & Marino are comparable. I'm sure Terry Bradshaw & Otto Graham had a gutless completion rate in college too, but how far back is it reasonable to go with the extensive rule changes that college football has seen? I think when you're looking nearly thirty years in the past, you're really stretching.
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Re: Josh Allen

Postby tresskid84 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:32 am

Gtdano_14 wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:14 am
Weeding out the sounds coming from other players, fans, coaches and announcers... If you just close your eyes and listen to him play, he does sound like the first overall pick.
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1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Superflex, 3 Flex
Draft is rookie and devy (only NFL draft-eligible players for the following year) combined


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RB: Aaron Jones, McKissic, Smallwood, Josh Adams
WR: Allen Robinson, M Gallup, DeSean Hamilton, Treadwell, Q Enunwa, Chad Williams, G Allison, Brice Butler, Cedric Wilson, D Cantrell, T Quinn
TE: G Everett, N Paul, J Sprinkle, J Hollister, B Hodges
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Re: Josh Allen

Postby ericanadian » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:33 am

Jason3123 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:15 pm
XxBallMeBlazerxX wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:01 pm
Jason3123 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:46 pm
Stafford and Ryan did have completion %’s below 60% but Stafford crushed Allen in AYA. Ryan’s senior year was on par with Allen in terms of AYA and % but he wasn’t nearly the raw prospect Allen is. Ryan also threw the ball over 600+ times for over 4,500 yards his senior year. Allen wasn’t nearly the focal point of his offense that Ryan was. Allen was basically hidden by his coaches.
What’s your excuse for Dan Marino and Brett Favre? Both had worse college stats than Allen. And dude if they were trying to hide Allen then he wouldn’t have been the starter. Gtfo of here with that. If they were trying to hide him then they wouldn’t of had him throw down field. They would of had him throw short wide open passes like Mayfield.
Once again your response about Baker sucks and lacks any merit whatsoever. Allen did throw horribly short passes, that's why his Y/A sucks. Favre was a 2nd round pick, not the #1 pick, which is what everyone is arguing in this thread, that Allen shouldn't be the #1 pick..or a 1st round pick in general. Also, congrats on choosing 1 out of a 1,000 QB prospects for your argument. Favre is an outlier. Don't chase outliers.
Allen's YPA was solid (8.6) in 2016 and his college career numbers of 7.8 is decent. If you're arguing solely on his 2017 performance than you need to abandon the argument that he was "hidden" because Allen was the whole of the offense in 2017.
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Re: Josh Allen

Postby Pew Dogs » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:46 am

I apologize if what I want to say about Allen has been said earlier but I've only had time to read the last two pages of posts. Assuming Allen is good enough to at least be in the discussion with the other potential first round QBs (enter stat guys along with the Silvas, Mayocks, and Waldmans) then the ONE thing that jumps out at me is his supposed potential ability to handle cold and wind. Big body, big hands, strong armed ... sound like a Ben Roethlisberger in the making, while hopefully not being a Blake Bortles). That has to make him a bit more attractive to the Browns, Giants, Jets, Broncos, and Bills. And oh looky looky, see who needs a QB? So to me, that's why he's in the discussion with two southern California pretty boys and two little guys.
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