Josh Allen - Time to Believe!

[tresskid84]

Lol that’s fine, I would gladly take Josh Allen over Baker. You probably thought Timmy Chang was the greatest thing ever since slice bread.

Very creative . . . I guess I should go watch these guys play because I have apparently never done that

[Jason3123]

Baker's accuracy% (includes drops as if they were completed) when throwing to open receivers (more than 1 step of separation) = 1st out of top ten qbs in this class
Josh Allen's accuracy% when throwing to open receivers = 9th out of top 10 qbs in this class

Baker may throw to more open receivers, but he also does it MUCH more accurately than Allen does.

Baker was 27 of 35 for 386 yards versus Ohio State. On the road. Get the bleep out of here.

Yeah and a solid 2 for 6 or 33% when his receiver had one step or no separation. Against Georgia he had 2 interceptions and like one or two completions.

He was 23-35 for 287 yards and 2 TD's and 1 INT. I can tell you've only made 4 posts cause it's clear you don't know what you're saying.

Just for fun Josh Allen topped 200 yards 13 times out of 27 career games.

[tresskid84]

Yeah and a solid 2 for 6 or 33% when his receiver had one step or no separation. Against Georgia he had 2 interceptions and like one or two completions.

No idea what you are talking about here, this is just simply false, lol, but keeping trolling, its at least been a fun forum because of it, lol

[XxBallMeBlazerxX]

lol, calm down BRO, I have watched film . . . a lot of it, actually. I watched two of Allen's games live last year as well as every game available on draft breakdown for him, lol, and I actually went back and watched several of Allen's games on DB again today since we were having this wonderful discussion . . . AND PFF isn't my only source, but it has relevant/in depth data that most other places don't/can't provide. And clearly saying trust my eyes isn't enough in an argument, so I am also going to provide data to back up my argument and pff provides some of the best data you will find on charting throws.

Fact is, he DOES have an accuracy issue (especially short area accuracy) to go along with reading defenses and touch, and the only real retort to any data/stats I have provided has pretty much been "but his receivers were terrible" which is a lazy argument, and may have been true this year, but wasn't in 2016. It also still doesn't change the fact that my eyes tell me he misses wrs more than most of the other top qbs in the class when watching a larger sample of their throws and the data backs that up. At least he can hang out with Kyle Bollier and throw 50 yard passes from his knees, I suppose.

You can have Josh Allen, I will take Baker all day.

Lol that’s fine, I would gladly take Josh Allen over Baker. You probably thought Timmy Chang was the greatest thing ever since slice bread.

lol 49% completion percentage at JUCO

Lol ok what does juco have to do with last year?

[XxBallMeBlazerxX]

Lol that’s fine, I would gladly take Josh Allen over Baker. You probably thought Timmy Chang was the greatest thing ever since slice bread.

Very creative . . . I guess I should go watch these guys play because I have apparently never done that

Hey, you said it but yeah I would say that is accurate.

[tresskid84]

Lol that’s fine, I would gladly take Josh Allen over Baker. You probably thought Timmy Chang was the greatest thing ever since slice bread.

Very creative . . . I guess I should go watch these guys play because I have apparently never done that

Hey, you said it but yeah I would say that is accurate.

About as accurate as Josh Allen?

[tresskid84]

It appears your argument is Baker can't throw into tight windows . . . well, I'm coming with my dreaded data again. Out of the top 10 qbs in the class, Baker had the highest accuracy % throwing into tight coverage, which validates what I see with my own eyes when I'm not watching his tape (because I don't do that)

[Cult of Dionysus]

For one of you DEVY guys... If Josh Allen is as physically gifted as he appears to be, why did he go to a JUCO and then to a 3rd rate school in Wyoming?

I recognize that not all QB talent comes through top schools (Brett Favre, Ben Rothlisberger, etc.) and that a lot of blue-chip QBs from USC and other "elite" schools face a lot of adversity in the NFL (especially one Mark Sanchez, who faced terrible assversity one primetime night).

[bsp27]

Lol that’s fine, I would gladly take Josh Allen over Baker. You probably thought Timmy Chang was the greatest thing ever since slice bread.

lol 49% completion percentage at JUCO

Lol ok what does juco have to do with last year?

nothing? Just simply stating that he has been bad his entire career.

[ninotoreS]

inaccuracy is usually because of bad footwork. if you have good footwork and you're inaccurate there is more to worry about. there are so many reasons for a low completion percentage

Sure. But maybe you've missed my point. History is pessimistic with regard to collegiate QBs featuring sub-60% completion percentage. Whether it's caused by poor footwork or something else, there's rarely drastic improvement as a pro. A guy can have some footwork issues making the pro jump and it's not too grim, but Allen's feet are a disaster.

[clarion contrarion]

Baker was 27 of 35 for 386 yards versus Ohio State. On the road. Get the bleep out of here.

Yeah and a solid 2 for 6 or 33% when his receiver had one step or no separation. Against Georgia he had 2 interceptions and like one or two completions.

He was 23-35 for 287 yards and 2 TD's and 1 INT. I can tell you've only made 4 posts cause it's clear you don't know what you're saying.

Just for fun Josh Allen topped 200 yards 13 times out of 27 career games.

post count really ? really ? jason you are better than that or perhaps you just miss captain emoji a bunch eh ?
the dude should be bashed for saying something about sliced bread being better as everyone knows unsliced bread is better !
after that my only thought is when the football luke lalouche learns to breathe through his eyelids he will be fine and sure fire superstar !

He will (obviously) and should be drafted very highly as he has the tools that cannot be taught or bought ! He is like a 7 foot kid in high school that will play basketball and always be on the team even if he cannot walk and chew gum at the same time - because coaches get paid to coach and they all have read the belichick or lombardi books and think they can fix anything .

I think it was cameron giles early in the thread saying there will be no middle ground either a transcendent star or a flaming wreck crashing to the earth with no survivors . NO MIDDLE GROUND !

I would much rather take my chances on a kid like that than mason rudolph or lauletta or white . Decent prospects but IF they max out you get ryan tannehill or sam bradford .
I would rather miss on 10 john elway clones than get it right on andy dalton/kirk cousins once . Mediocrity sucks regardless of the endeavor as mickey mantle said once "I swing as hard as I can every pitch just in case I hit the ball "

[ericanadian]

I'm not super high on the kid. Reminds me of the Jake Locker hype, who also had garbage accuracy in college.

The best QB in the last twenty years with accuracy even remotely as poor as Allen in college is probably Jay Cutler, which isn't a terrible comparable.

His receivers sucked, sure, but the Wyoming QB before him had pretty much the same receivers and managed to put up a 63.1% completion percentage.

He was a two star recruit just two years ago. His only interest was from Wyoming coming out of juco. I get that college teams sometimes collectively miss. You can bring up Russell Wilson, who was also a two star recruit with only one interested team... but Wilson was heavily undersized. We all understand that teams will underrate guys that are short and play QB. There is nothing about Josh Allen that strikes me as something often missed by college evaluators.

Personally, I hope he falls to the Broncos. Maybe the press will stop talking about Elway like he knows how to evaluate talent finally.

[Lotto4Life]

He was a two star recruit just two years ago. His only interest was from Wyoming coming out of juco. I get that college teams sometimes collectively miss. You can bring up Russell Wilson, who was also a two star recruit with only one interested team... but Wilson was heavily undersized. We all understand that teams will underrate guys that are short and play QB. There is nothing about Josh Allen that strikes me as something often missed by college evaluators.

You missed a perfect opportunity to mention that Baker Mayfield was a walk-on at Texas Tech to start his career.

[XxBallMeBlazerxX]

I'm not super high on the kid. Reminds me of the Jake Locker hype, who also had garbage accuracy in college.

The best QB in the last twenty years with accuracy even remotely as poor as Allen in college is probably Jay Cutler, which isn't a terrible comparable.

His receivers sucked, sure, but the Wyoming QB before him had pretty much the same receivers and managed to put up a 63.1% completion percentage.

He was a two star recruit just two years ago. His only interest was from Wyoming coming out of juco. I get that college teams sometimes collectively miss. You can bring up Russell Wilson, who was also a two star recruit with only one interested team... but Wilson was heavily undersized. We all understand that teams will underrate guys that are short and play QB. There is nothing about Josh Allen that strikes me as something often missed by college evaluators.

Personally, I hope he falls to the Broncos. Maybe the press will stop talking about Elway like he knows how to evaluate talent finally.

Aaron Rodgers wasn’t ranked at all coming out of high school. Went to JUCO and after one year, his only offer was from California..Tedford wasn’t even there to see Rodgers but happened to notice him.

When I watch Josh Allen play, I see something special but that’s just me. I do think everyone is over exaggerating him being inaccurate. You give him the same talent as Mayfield, Darnold and Rosen and his stats would look better. Heck if some of the dropped passes were catches, he would probably be close to 60% completion %, if not in the low 60’s and have a few more td’s then how would you all view him?

[tresskid84]

I'm not super high on the kid. Reminds me of the Jake Locker hype, who also had garbage accuracy in college.

The best QB in the last twenty years with accuracy even remotely as poor as Allen in college is probably Jay Cutler, which isn't a terrible comparable.

His receivers sucked, sure, but the Wyoming QB before him had pretty much the same receivers and managed to put up a 63.1% completion percentage.

He was a two star recruit just two years ago. His only interest was from Wyoming coming out of juco. I get that college teams sometimes collectively miss. You can bring up Russell Wilson, who was also a two star recruit with only one interested team... but Wilson was heavily undersized. We all understand that teams will underrate guys that are short and play QB. There is nothing about Josh Allen that strikes me as something often missed by college evaluators.

Personally, I hope he falls to the Broncos. Maybe the press will stop talking about Elway like he knows how to evaluate talent finally.

Aaron Rodgers wasn’t ranked at all coming out of high school. Went to JUCO and after one year, his only offer was from California..Tedford wasn’t even there to see Rodgers but happened to notice him.

When I watch Josh Allen play, I see something special but that’s just me. I do think everyone is over exaggerating him being inaccurate. You give him the same talent as Mayfield, Darnold and Rosen and his stats would look better. Heck if some of the dropped passes were catches, he would probably be close to 60% completion %, if not in the low 60’s and have a few more td’s then how would you all view him?

Considering I'm already accounting for his dropped passes in everything I've put out, I'd value him the same