news on CJA has been relatively quiet...

[bsp27]

Statistics are facts - but statistics are also very subjective and never tell the full story.
If you don't know this by now; I don't know what to tell you.

I'm down on CJA and have never really liked him - but he's not "awful" and should have no problem finding work.

This weak attempt at discrediting every form of data is lazy and helpful to no one. Tell me the specific data points I used that "don't tell the full story", explain why they don't, and we can go from there.

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Someone (I forget who) basically stated why the statistics you used aren't very indicative of really.. anything.
It's a couple pages back.

Here, found it:

Threads like this are why YPC are mistakenly thought to measure skill. People in dynasty / fantasy will take more from reports like that than they should. The load of work shared there speaks nothing of oline, blocking scheme, effect of poor qb play on focus of defenses, game script, and specifics of offensive play call vs defense. All it does is mis use statistical analysis. Put CJA behind a better oline, with a marginally better qb, and you'll see improved production. Simple as that in my opinion.

[bsp27]

Someone (I forget who) basically stated why the statistics you used aren't very indicative of really.. anything.
It's a couple pages back.

Here, found it:

Threads like this are why YPC are mistakenly thought to measure skill. People in dynasty / fantasy will take more from reports like that than they should. The load of work shared there speaks nothing of oline, blocking scheme, effect of poor qb play on focus of defenses, game script, and specifics of offensive play call vs defense. All it does is mis use statistical analysis. Put CJA behind a better oline, with a marginally better qb, and you'll see improved production. Simple as that in my opinion.

Yes, and I already responded to that narrative-ridden response.

Warren Sharp exposes C.J. Anderson for the fraud that he is: https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/statu ... 4587552775

Threads like this are why YPC are mistakenly thought to measure skill. People in dynasty / fantasy will take more from reports like that than they should. The load of work shared there speaks nothing of oline, blocking scheme, effect of poor qb play on focus of defenses, game script, and specifics of offensive play call vs defense. All it does is mis use statistical analysis. Put CJA behind a better oline, with a marginally better qb, and you'll see improved production. Simple as that in my opinion.

Well, his run blocking efficiency was 16th in the league last year, so exactly average. So, he had an average o-line, while facing the easiest run defense schedule by far, and STILL was the 4th worst in success rate. "He didn't rank anything above 20th out of 27 in ydg on unsuccessful plays (Missed YPA) or in explosiveness rate."

You can talk about qb play all you want, but Anderson was worse than a washed Jamaal Charles and Devontae Booker. "Anderson's success rate on 2nd down was 41%, the worst on the Broncos. And his 1st down rate was 30%. For comparison, Charles was at 42%."

"Here's a comparison of Anderson's early down performance the past 2 years as compared to league averages. His SROA (Success Rate Over Average) was -4.1%. Compare:
Charles: +2.1%
Booker: -0.2%
Anderson: -4.1%"


He's terrible, just accept that and move on.

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But your point proves nothing.
Literally. Nothing.
It does not even address the post.

[Blackout]

My comparisons with Freeman, Gordon and Zeke were significant too.

[bsp27]

But your point proves nothing.
Literally. Nothing.
It does not even address the post.

How to tell someone that you lost the argument ^^^

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They are terrible too, Blackout.

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But your point proves nothing.
Literally. Nothing.
It does not even address the post.

How to tell someone that you lost the argument ^^^

How to tell someone has zero reading comprehension.

Literally all you did was further support JFever's point.

[bsp27]

But your point proves nothing.
Literally. Nothing.
It does not even address the post.

How to tell someone that you lost the argument ^^^

How to tell someone has zero reading comprehension.

Literally all you did was further support JFever's point.

He said this: "The load of work shared there speaks nothing of oline, blocking scheme, effect of poor qb play on focus of defenses, game script, and specifics of offensive play call vs defense"

And I discredited that when I compared Anderson to his other teammates. Because his other teammates operated in the same offense, with the same oline, with the same quarterback play, the same game script etc.

Understand?

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I think it's really more significant to compare 230-280 carries players than Charles, Booker and CJA. Type of runs is meaningful for me. Those are real stats.to say that CJA is one of thé most underrated RB actually in the top 25-30 range. Easiest schedule or not.

[lukkynumber13]

Hahaha, is bsp the guy who was referencing CJA's high school stats last week?

[hankmurphy]

How to tell someone that you lost the argument ^^^

How to tell someone has zero reading comprehension.

Literally all you did was further support JFever's point.

He said this: "The load of work shared there speaks nothing of oline, blocking scheme, effect of poor qb play on focus of defenses, game script, and specifics of offensive play call vs defense"

And I discredited that when I compared Anderson to his other teammates. Because his other teammates operated in the same offense, with the same oline, with the same quarterback play, the same game script etc.

Understand?

But they didn't operate on the exact same plays, so it's not an apples-to-apples argument. It's lazy analysis to just assume that YPC are directly comparable just because they play on the same team.

[bsp27]

How to tell someone has zero reading comprehension.

Literally all you did was further support JFever's point.

He said this: "The load of work shared there speaks nothing of oline, blocking scheme, effect of poor qb play on focus of defenses, game script, and specifics of offensive play call vs defense"

And I discredited that when I compared Anderson to his other teammates. Because his other teammates operated in the same offense, with the same oline, with the same quarterback play, the same game script etc.

Understand?

But they didn't operate on the exact same plays, so it's not an apples-to-apples argument. It's lazy analysis to just assume that YPC are directly comparable just because they play on the same team.

Are you kidding me....? Of course we won't know the exact result that these players would have if given the exact same situation, but operating under the same coaching staff, with the same quarterback, facing the same defenses, it is the best way to compare players. I never even cited yards per carry, I was citing success rates from Warren Sharp:

"Here's a comparison of Anderson's early down performance the past 2 years as compared to league averages. His SROA (Success Rate Over Average) was -4.1%. Compare:
Charles: +2.1%
Booker: -0.2%
Anderson: -4.1%"

[hjernazian]

As a Denver fan and a big CJ fan, this is a sad day. The team, most notably John Elway, never seemed to appreciate Anderson and never really valued him properly. He's outperformed his backfield mates every season in the NFL, and has consistently received top10 grades from PFF - yet Elway nearly lost Anderson to Miami a few years ago, then badly under-utilized him over the past few seasons, giving valuable carries to Ronnie Hillman, Devontae Booker, and a washed-up Jamaal Charles instead of Anderson.

As a dynasty owner of CJ, this could be a good thing for his outlook since there are a few promising destinations around the league:
-Indianapolis: They don't seem content with Mack (unfortunately), and could be a great offense if Luck's health cooperates
-Tampa Bay: Solid offense in desperate need for a workhorse RB
-Seattle: Bad O-Line, but good offense that needs a workhorse RB
-New England: Anderson is better than both Gillislee & Hill, Anderson would immediately be a candidate for 12+ TDs
-Green Bay: My darkhorse candidate - they couldn't really settle on Montgomery / Williams / Jones last year, and we know Rodgers values a pass-blocking RB (which Anderson is good at). Much like New England, Green Bay could be an easy path for RB #2 numbers just based on TD opportunities

I'm with you on everything in this response. I'm a big CJA fan, and even a bigger Broncos fan. He was easily our best offensive player last year, and that god awful offense. It seems CJA never got his credit in his tenure, and was constantly being undervalued by the fantasy community, and his own team.

Fun fact, CJA averages a higher YPC than Melvin Gordon. Yes, you read that right.

Amongst those destinations, I think Green Bay, Tampa, Miami and Indy would be great. I think if he goes to any one of those spots he is a viable weekly RB2 (not that he wasn't already last year, totalling over 1,000 yards). With low-end RB1 upside in Tampa, GB and possibly Indy. The Miami offense is so bad I don't see him nearing the goal line much.

NE would be a nightmare, and so would Seattle. Please don't let him go there.

[Valhalla]

I own zero shares of CJA, but I don't hate him either. Relatively unbiased. I find the statistical arguments against him lacking, however. It reminds me of all the attacks on McKinnon for years, and the statistical attacks on how Gurley just wasn't that good. Then the surroundings change...
Label me as uninformed, but...how exactly is SROA measured?
Also...describe to me how blocking efficiency is measured. I'm betting in that description, you'll have a hard time weeding apart how a RB's skills can heavily influence the run blocking grade.