It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

General talk about Dynasty Leagues.
MrUbuto
Ring of Fame
Ring of Fame
Posts: 3513
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 10:59 pm
Location: Vancouver, B.C.

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby MrUbuto » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:26 pm

Servo wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:30 pm
MrUbuto wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:43 pm How is agholor considered a bust?
If this question is in response to what I just posted, didn't call Agholor a bust, I just listed out every 1stRD WR...regardless of their current status.
No that wasn't directed at you. Just the basic premise of this entire thread.

I am more than happy with agholors progression and situation being a late 1st round draft pick for me.

I would be shocked if he doesnt have a +900 yard season and double digit touchdown. And finish as a top end wr2 possibly a very low end wr1
QB - DWatson(HOU)Minshew(JAX)Darnold(NYJ)
RB -NChubb(CLE)DHenry(TEN)JTaylor(IND)Gurley(ATL)
WR -DHopkins(ARI)ACooper(DAL)CGodwin(TB)OBJ(CLE)
TE - HHenry(SD)DGoeddart(PHI)
K - Zurlien(LAR)Crosby(GB)
Def - ARI DAL
[rookie] Haskins(WAS)DSwift(DET)Jefferson(MIN)MHardman(KC)
7th pick in 2021

Rosters must always be 3qbs 4wrs 4rbs 2tes 2kickers 2dst and protected players don't take up a roster spot, but are only for rookie/2nd-year players that were drafted

Jigga94
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 16093
Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:38 pm

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby Jigga94 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:45 pm

Davis
Parker
Dorsett
M. Will

nathanq42
Hall of Fame
Hall of Fame
Posts: 4021
Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:40 am

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby nathanq42 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:13 pm

MrUbuto wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:43 pm How is agholor considered a bust? His 3rd year which us supposed to be the break out year he caught for over 700 yards and was the WR 20.

Not blow your socks off numbers but we all knew he was going to take time. To me he's exactly on pace for where he was drafted (late first round)

He is currently the WR 1 in a very potent offense with a pro bowl QB. If you don't already own him I think He would be very expensive and if he's not then you should certainly be buying.
His first two seasons combine for 630 yards, he had tonnes of drops, allegedly couldn't get the offense in his head, rarely saw the field.

I cut bait awhile back but grabbed him last year. Glad I've got him again. Looks like he is figuring it out
12 Team 1 ppr .1 points per carry
Garbage
QB Jalen Hurts
RB A-train, D'Onta Foreman,Jahmyr Gibbs, JK Dobbins, Rashaad Penny, AJ Dillon, Jerrick McKinnon, Joshua Kelley, TDP, Chase Edmonds, JRob, Zamir White
WR CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, DJ Moore, Hollywood Brown, Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Junior, Marvin Jones, Braxton Berrios, Richie James
TE Dalton Kincaid, Foster Moreau
+2 Flex
1.02, 1.06

MrUbuto
Ring of Fame
Ring of Fame
Posts: 3513
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 10:59 pm
Location: Vancouver, B.C.

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby MrUbuto » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:26 pm

nathanq42 wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:13 pm
MrUbuto wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:43 pm How is agholor considered a bust? His 3rd year which us supposed to be the break out year he caught for over 700 yards and was the WR 20.

Not blow your socks off numbers but we all knew he was going to take time. To me he's exactly on pace for where he was drafted (late first round)

He is currently the WR 1 in a very potent offense with a pro bowl QB. If you don't already own him I think He would be very expensive and if he's not then you should certainly be buying.
His first two seasons combine for 630 yards, he had tonnes of drops, allegedly couldn't get the offense in his head, rarely saw the field.

I cut bait awhile back but grabbed him last year. Glad I've got him again. Looks like he is figuring it out
Everyone always always looks at the few rare cases when a 1st or 2nd year guy just blows up instead of the norm.

Antonio brown took awhile too
QB - DWatson(HOU)Minshew(JAX)Darnold(NYJ)
RB -NChubb(CLE)DHenry(TEN)JTaylor(IND)Gurley(ATL)
WR -DHopkins(ARI)ACooper(DAL)CGodwin(TB)OBJ(CLE)
TE - HHenry(SD)DGoeddart(PHI)
K - Zurlien(LAR)Crosby(GB)
Def - ARI DAL
[rookie] Haskins(WAS)DSwift(DET)Jefferson(MIN)MHardman(KC)
7th pick in 2021

Rosters must always be 3qbs 4wrs 4rbs 2tes 2kickers 2dst and protected players don't take up a roster spot, but are only for rookie/2nd-year players that were drafted

User avatar
ArrylT
Degenerate
Degenerate
Posts: 9538
Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:32 pm
Location: Canada

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby ArrylT » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:05 pm

MrUbuto wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:26 pm
nathanq42 wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:13 pm
MrUbuto wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:43 pm How is agholor considered a bust? His 3rd year which us supposed to be the break out year he caught for over 700 yards and was the WR 20.

Not blow your socks off numbers but we all knew he was going to take time. To me he's exactly on pace for where he was drafted (late first round)

He is currently the WR 1 in a very potent offense with a pro bowl QB. If you don't already own him I think He would be very expensive and if he's not then you should certainly be buying.
His first two seasons combine for 630 yards, he had tonnes of drops, allegedly couldn't get the offense in his head, rarely saw the field.

I cut bait awhile back but grabbed him last year. Glad I've got him again. Looks like he is figuring it out
Everyone always always looks at the few rare cases when a 1st or 2nd year guy just blows up instead of the norm.

Antonio brown took awhile too
If by a while you mean 1 year then sure. :lol:
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

Life of Pablo
Starter
Starter
Posts: 562
Joined: Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:24 am

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby Life of Pablo » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:55 am

Better not be Doctson considering I'll finally be pulling the plug on him tomorrow :boohoo:
10-team standard, 18-man rosters (plus K/D + 1 IR + 2 TAXI)
1QB | 2RB | 2WR | 1TE | 1FLEX
2021: 8-6, 5th (AP: 76-50 / 60.3%, 3rd) ||| Runner-up
2022: 5-1, 2nd (AP: 47-7 / 87.0%, 1st)

QB: Hurts, Russ, Carr
RB: Chubb, Pierce, Swift, JRob, D'Ernest, Ford
WR: Diggs, Evans, GDavis, Nuk, Keenan, Hollywood, Mooney, CSamuel, Doubs
TE: Kelce, Dulcich, Fant
2023 Picks: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
2024 Picks: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th

User avatar
Gtdano_14
All Pro
All Pro
Posts: 1590
Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:08 pm

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby Gtdano_14 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:56 am

Life of Pablo wrote: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:55 am Better not be Doctson considering I'll finally be pulling the plug on him tomorrow :boohoo:
Fingers crossed it is him... :pray: :whistle:
16 Team PPR 1 QB - 2 RB - 2 WR - 1 TE - 1 Flex
QB- R.Wilson, B. Mayfield
RB- D. Cook, Zeke, J. Jacobs, J. McKinnon, A. Collins, I. Smith, B. Hill, R. Armstead, M. Boone
WR- J. Smith-Schuster, T. Boyd, C. Sutton, M. Brown, H. Ruggs, S. Miller
TE- G. Kittle, Enron, C. Herndon
'21 Picks- 1.12

User avatar
Dynasty DeLorean
Degenerate
Degenerate
Posts: 8894
Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:45 am

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:58 pm

I guess it's time to update my guesses.


Unlikely
Kevin White
DeVante Parker
Phillip Dorsett
Corey Coleman
Breshad Perriman
Josh Doctson
Laquon Treadwell

Too early to call?
Mike Williams
John Ross

There's actually hope?
Nelson Agholor
Will Fuller
Corey Davis

Jigga94
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 16093
Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:38 pm

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:04 pm

You should move Coleman, White and Perriman too HIGHLY unlikely. I like Dorsett's new opportunity, but agree it probably wont translate long-term

User avatar
ArrylT
Degenerate
Degenerate
Posts: 9538
Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:32 pm
Location: Canada

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby ArrylT » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:25 am

Yardage update after 3 weeks:

I will try to update again at 6 weeks - players on pace to reach goal in bold, player who could still reach goal in italic based on current production


Nelson Agholor - 20 receptions for 145 yards - pace of 107 for 774 yards

Corey Coleman - 0 for 0 yards - pace of 0 yards

Corey Davis - 13 R for 151 yards - pace of 70 for 805 yards

Josh Doctson - 5 R for 48 yards - pace of 27 for 256 yards

Phillip Dorsett - 12 R for 110 yards - pace of 64 for 587 yards

Will Fuller - 13 R for 214 yards - pace of 69 for 1141 yards / 98 for 1605 yards*

DeVante Parker - 2 R for 40 yards - pace of 11 for 214 yards / 28 for 560 yards*

Breshad Perriman - 0 for 0 yards - pace of 0 yards

John Ross - 5 R for 27 yards - pace of 27 for 144 yards

Laquon Treadwell - 8 R for 74 yards - pace of 43 for 395 yards

Kevin White - 0 for 0 yards - pace of 0 yards

Mike Williams - 11 R for 189 yards - pace of 59 for 1008 yards


* - depends on whether you include weeks inactive / injured in full season pace or not.

First projection is the straightforward X divided by 3 x 16
whereas 2nd projection is # of games played by # of games they'll play (if fully healthy)
So if they played 2 games it would be Y divided by 2 x 15 or Z divided by 1 x 14 if they played 1.
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

Patsfan86
All Pro
All Pro
Posts: 1877
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:28 am

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby Patsfan86 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:05 pm

So I should be excited about having Williams and not so excited about having Agholor?

Cameron Giles
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 14252
Joined: Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:06 pm

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby Cameron Giles » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:11 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:33 pm
spotxc wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:26 pm Trends tend to change, and percentages based off the past don't always present the truth. :confused:
This thread is an interesting read, but I lean towards this.

I think the issue is that a lot of the recent 1st round WR's simply aren't that good. Granted, I will not dismiss that one of these players can become a stud. I still think Corey Davis is going to be a really good WR and I'd be buying low on him anywhere I could. But, if we're looking at this list:

Reason For Optimism?
Corey Davis
Josh Doctson
Will Fuller

Maybe
Devante Parker
Nelson Agholor
Mike Williams
Corey Coleman
John Ross

Slim To No Chance:
Phillip Dorsett
Breshad Perriman
Kevin White
Laquon Treadwell

And at the same time, I would not be surprised at all if none of these players amount to their upside.
Well, it looks slimmer now.

Solid bet: Will Fuller

Reason for optimism: Nelson Agholor, Mike Williams, Corey Davis

Slim Chance to Not Happening: Josh Doctson, Devante Parker, Phillip Dorsett, Breshad Perriman, Corey Coleman, Laquon Treadwell, Kevin White, John Ross

User avatar
Servo
All Pro
All Pro
Posts: 1934
Joined: Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:17 pm

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby Servo » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:50 pm

Obviously none of these guys were perfect prospects but it's this kinda crap that sets back dynasty owners for years...hoping for that YR2 or YR3 breakout...

It's no wonder most leagues saw all 8 RBs go in the first round of rookie drafts. When guys like Juju/Kupp/Thomas/Shepard/Golladay/etc/etc are all having better starts to their careers...it's almost like it's a golden rule today to pass on the 1st RD WR and take any other one with your 2nd round pick. I guess we'll see if the vaunted 2019 class can change that.

Sadly we haven't seen much from Corey Davis since the Titans are a steaming pile on offense.

Jigga94
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 16093
Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:38 pm

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby Jigga94 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:03 pm

Servo wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:50 pm Obviously none of these guys were perfect prospects but it's this kinda crap that sets back dynasty owners for years...hoping for that YR2 or YR3 breakout...

It's no wonder most leagues saw all 8 RBs go in the first round of rookie drafts. When guys like Juju/Kupp/Thomas/Shepard/Golladay/etc/etc are all having better starts to their careers...it's almost like it's a golden rule today to pass on the 1st RD WR and take any other one with your 2nd round pick. I guess we'll see if the vaunted 2019 class can change that.

Sadly we haven't seen much from Corey Davis since the Titans are a steaming pile on offense.
I thought getting Corey at the back end of the 1st was a steal! Steaming pile on offense for sure

User avatar
Blackout
Pro Bowler
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1167
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:44 am
Location: Villeurbanne, FRANCE

Re: It's likely at least 2 more 1st round WR's from the 2015-2017 NFL draft classes will hit. But which ones?

Postby Blackout » Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:28 pm

Blackout wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:20 pm Who will join the 1K+ yards club ?


Good candidates to do and repeat

1/ Davis - Once 50% - Twice 25% - Thrice 10%
2/ Williams - Once 35% - Twice 15% - Thrice 5%

Potential but need some production help (maybe some games without the WR1, Hopkins and OBJ, no star QB injury, game not too much spread...or be on the field and stay focus...isn't it DeVante ? Very optimistic scenario for him...but i don't believe he will...just chances...that he burns one after one)

3/ Fuller - Once 25% - Twice 10% - Thrice 0%
4/ Shepard - Once 20 % - Twice 5% - Thrice 0%
5/ Parker - Once 15% - Twice 5% - Thrice 0%

Sleepers

6/ Agholor - Once 15% - Twice 0% -Thrice 0%
7/ Coleman - Once 10% - Twice 0% - Thrice 0%
8/ Ross - Once 5% - Twice 0% - Thrice 0%

Miss the cut : White, Doctson, Treadwell, Perriman, Dorsett

Edit : Oops Shepard is off-topic. He was "only" a high 2nd rounder. But i like his chances. Others high ones like Samuel and Z.Jones, i don't think so. D.Smith and Green-Beckham no need to mention them. Maybe Funchess.

Was not bad at all for the trio ahead !


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ahrefs [Bot], Google Feedfetcher, killer_of_giants, murphysxm and 10 guests