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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:41 am

This Patterson crap is getting old. Seems like every year there is this garbage about how he is working on this and that. He is what he is, nothing is going to change. He may get some opportunities simply due to lack of depth on a really bad looking roster, but that's it.
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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby mgscott » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:45 am

I agree the Patriots players other than Brady and Gronk can be hard ti figure out week to week, and that Patterson seems to get hype every year. That being said, the Patriots are one of the most likely teams to take advantage of the weapons they have and not ignore them. Patterson may not ever be a typical wide receiver, but I have more confidence in the Patriots to come up with better ways to use him than any team he has been on before. Whether it turns into a fairly dependable fantasy option or not is debatable. Worth a flier in my opinion, in case it hits ala Tyreke Hill.

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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby Friction » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:51 am

I just bought him for Bell++.
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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby Valhalla » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:53 am

Friction wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:51 am I just bought him for Bell++.
Tatum? Mike? Joique?

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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby JoshGordonsDealer » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:09 am

Valhalla wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:53 am
Friction wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:51 am I just bought him for Bell++.
Tatum? Mike? Joique?
Le'Veon, for sure.

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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby Friction » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:30 am

Well duh, I am not that crazy. I need Tatum for my Cellular 2000 Kiosk.
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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby ninotoreS » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:43 am

ArrylT wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:34 am http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patr ... _effort_to

With Matthews and Mitchell out of the picture, things are looking up for Patterson - who according to this article is working hard on several things, including getting faster.
- Basically, he's made his 10-yard split even better.
- The article closes acknowledging that Patterson is still working on fundamentals of WR craft. Patterson is 27 years old now.

I appreciate the article, but the only thing it tells me is that Patterson will continue to be a very good kick returner. And only that. I assume Patterson has been working on the basics of playing WR for six years now, so that doesn't seem like a new development.
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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:03 am

mgscott wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:45 am I agree the Patriots players other than Brady and Gronk can be hard ti figure out week to week, and that Patterson seems to get hype every year. That being said, the Patriots are one of the most likely teams to take advantage of the weapons they have and not ignore them. Patterson may not ever be a typical wide receiver, but I have more confidence in the Patriots to come up with better ways to use him than any team he has been on before. Whether it turns into a fairly dependable fantasy option or not is debatable. Worth a flier in my opinion, in case it hits ala Tyreke Hill.
Tyreek Hill hit at a young age, because he is significantly better. I have Patterson on a rebuild best ball, but I've watched him as a Raiders fan, and watched him quite a bit in Minnesota. He's a KR, and gadget play guy, and that's it. The Pats do make the best with what they have, but that roster is not talented. Hogan I should have drafted in a startup this year, he was there pretty late and I just didn't think of him (it was about March), and outside of that I have little interest. Burkhead could get some decent numbers, but he gets hurt quite often, and game to game it differs. If Brady dips even a bit, which is likely, this offense could struggle more than people are used to. They are basically a lock to win the division, only because it is terrible, but I think some regression is imminent.
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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby IBall2 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:19 am

For some reason, this is the only play that I ever remember from Patterson as a Vikings player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HnotwMYHF0

Probably because the Vikings were down by a touchdown with less than 2 minutes to go in the game.

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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby ArrylT » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:26 pm

ninotoreS wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:43 am
ArrylT wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:34 am http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patr ... _effort_to

With Matthews and Mitchell out of the picture, things are looking up for Patterson - who according to this article is working hard on several things, including getting faster.
- Basically, he's made his 10-yard split even better.
- The article closes acknowledging that Patterson is still working on fundamentals of WR craft. Patterson is 27 years old now.

I appreciate the article, but the only thing it tells me is that Patterson will continue to be a very good kick returner. And only that. I assume Patterson has been working on the basics of playing WR for six years now, so that doesn't seem like a new development.
I think the thing that I found most interesting, apart from Pattersons admission that he was still lacking in, and had not been taught, certain fundamentals, was

"“It’s going to help him as a route-runner,” Hartigan explained, “because his top-end speed is great for kick returns, but now he’s going to have that ability to kind of lose the defensive backs as far as his acceleration.”"

it may never actually occur, but I would not be surprised if Patterson has a later career 'renaissance' sort of like Ted Ginn. Wont be very helpful from a fantasy perspective, depending on league size/format, but could make him a more well-rounded NFL WR instead of just being a return specialist with some gadget/speed appeal.
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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby Patsfan86 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:40 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:03 am
mgscott wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:45 am I agree the Patriots players other than Brady and Gronk can be hard ti figure out week to week, and that Patterson seems to get hype every year. That being said, the Patriots are one of the most likely teams to take advantage of the weapons they have and not ignore them. Patterson may not ever be a typical wide receiver, but I have more confidence in the Patriots to come up with better ways to use him than any team he has been on before. Whether it turns into a fairly dependable fantasy option or not is debatable. Worth a flier in my opinion, in case it hits ala Tyreke Hill.
Tyreek Hill hit at a young age, because he is significantly better. I have Patterson on a rebuild best ball, but I've watched him as a Raiders fan, and watched him quite a bit in Minnesota. He's a KR, and gadget play guy, and that's it. The Pats do make the best with what they have, but that roster is not talented. Hogan I should have drafted in a startup this year, he was there pretty late and I just didn't think of him (it was about March), and outside of that I have little interest. Burkhead could get some decent numbers, but he gets hurt quite often, and game to game it differs. If Brady dips even a bit, which is likely, this offense could struggle more than people are used to. They are basically a lock to win the division, only because it is terrible, but I think some regression is imminent.
You one of those guys who has been saying this since 2011? Besides the Moss Welker years has the offensive roster ever been supremely talented aside from Gronk and Brady?

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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:13 pm

Weknownothing86 wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:40 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:03 am
mgscott wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:45 am I agree the Patriots players other than Brady and Gronk can be hard ti figure out week to week, and that Patterson seems to get hype every year. That being said, the Patriots are one of the most likely teams to take advantage of the weapons they have and not ignore them. Patterson may not ever be a typical wide receiver, but I have more confidence in the Patriots to come up with better ways to use him than any team he has been on before. Whether it turns into a fairly dependable fantasy option or not is debatable. Worth a flier in my opinion, in case it hits ala Tyreke Hill.
Tyreek Hill hit at a young age, because he is significantly better. I have Patterson on a rebuild best ball, but I've watched him as a Raiders fan, and watched him quite a bit in Minnesota. He's a KR, and gadget play guy, and that's it. The Pats do make the best with what they have, but that roster is not talented. Hogan I should have drafted in a startup this year, he was there pretty late and I just didn't think of him (it was about March), and outside of that I have little interest. Burkhead could get some decent numbers, but he gets hurt quite often, and game to game it differs. If Brady dips even a bit, which is likely, this offense could struggle more than people are used to. They are basically a lock to win the division, only because it is terrible, but I think some regression is imminent.


You one of those guys who has been saying this since 2011? Besides the Moss Welker years has the offensive roster ever been supremely talented aside from Gronk and Brady?
I've never been a fan of Patterson. My buddy took Patterson in our hometown league startup after his rookie year in round 2, and I asked him why he would draft a bust that early in the start up. I have not been saying this since 2011, no. I started saying it about a month ago, actually. I think Brady is coming to the end of his "elite" status soon, though, and this roster is not talented. He's not in his early/mid 30's anymore, and when he does lose that little bit, it will hurt more because the guys around him are a bunch of JAG's outside of Gronk. It's going to end at some point, and I think they regress this year, but still win the division.
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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby ninotoreS » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:50 am

ArrylT wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:26 pm I think the thing that I found most interesting, apart from Pattersons admission that he was still lacking in, and had not been taught, certain fundamentals, was

"“It’s going to help him as a route-runner,” Hartigan explained, “because his top-end speed is great for kick returns, but now he’s going to have that ability to kind of lose the defensive backs as far as his acceleration.”"

it may never actually occur, but I would not be surprised if Patterson has a later career 'renaissance' sort of like Ted Ginn. Wont be very helpful from a fantasy perspective, depending on league size/format, but could make him a more well-rounded NFL WR instead of just being a return specialist with some gadget/speed appeal.
Speaking as a Knoxville native who watched C-Patt for all his time in college, Ginn came out of Ohio State with much better wide-receiver craft than Patterson ever showed me in a Vol jersey. Ginn's a limited WR to be sure, but he did post a 56-790 line his second year in the league with noodle-armed Chad Pennington throwing to him. We know that speed alone doesn't make an NFL wide-receiver, at any split time. Ginn knew how to get open vertically with craft, not just with speed. That set him apart from Patterson from day one.

And while the 1.60 10-yard split Patterson posted at the Combine was certainly a flaw, I think the atrocious agility score he posted at his Pro Day is a much greater hindrance to his route-craft (4.40 shuttle, 7.28 3-cone).
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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby hockeyBjj » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:29 pm

With absolutely everyone else gone, are they going to have to actually use him as a receiver and not just a gadget player and return guy?
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Re: Patterson to Patriots

Postby ninotoreS » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:41 pm

hockeyBjj wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:29 pm With absolutely everyone else gone
They still have Dorsett, Decker, Britt, Berrios, McCarron. Uninspiring as that list is, the first three names still profile as more likely to be able to contribute meaningfully this year as wide-receivers than Patterson.
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