Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

[Goddard]

The last WR the Raiders traded to the Pats also happened to be an ex-Viking.. he went by the name Randy Moss.


If Patterson somehow ends up doing great, depression will set in.

Moss with the Vikings was slightly better than Patterson with the Vikings.

[Phaded]

Maybe a little.

[ArrylT]

I like that there was just a slight emphasis on the slightly.

[Valhalla]

First round pick, pro bowler as a rookie Viking with blazing speed wearing #84, has a talent for making silly plays, goes to the Raiders and is then traded to the Patriots. Patterson said Randy Moss was his favorite WR growing up and wanted to follow in his foot steps. It’s eerily similar. All he needs is that tiny factor of real NFL production.

[Goddard]

We need to stop disrespecting the 2nd, if not best WR ever by comparing Patterson to him in any way other than the teams they played for.

[Valhalla]

We need to stop disrespecting the 2nd, if not best WR ever by comparing Patterson to him in any way other than the teams they played for.

And the numbers they wore!! That’s the whole story right there.

[Goddard]

We need to stop disrespecting the 2nd, if not best WR ever by comparing Patterson to him in any way other than the teams they played for.

And the numbers they wore!! That’s the whole story right there.

Who wore it better?

[Valhalla]

Everyone will remember that Moss wore 84 (in MN). Who on this forum honestly even knew Patterson wore it? Probably not many people.
Patterson wears 81 in NE and I'm buying!! It's all about the jersey!

[hjernazian]

You may not have realized it my friend, but I picked up on your sarcasm, and countered as such. You do sound like the perfect leaguemate, other than being a Pats fan, but who knows, maybe you can be the atypical one I’ve never met, like ever, before lol.

Maybe its because i moved away from NE when i was 6, but most of the people i deal with in real life tell me that im one of the most tolerable Patriot fans theyve ever met. I guess i take that as a compliment.

Holy bleep league Christmas parties? I def want to be in your league.

Damn straight. The commish dresses up like Santa and we all go up one by one and sit on his lap and he gives us each a gift. Last year i got a supplemental third round rookie pick. Then we all drink copious amounts of spiked egg nog, make crazy drunken trades and sing Christmas carols until the wee hours.

drunken trades? count me in. i do some of my best work then

[clarion contrarion]

Everyone will remember that Moss wore 84 (in MN). Who on this forum honestly even knew Patterson wore it? Probably not many people.
Patterson wears 81 in NE and I'm buying!! It's all about the jersey!

if and it is a big IF - but if he is 50% of what moss did in new england it is like finding $ in the street at this point.
he will wins leagues for people if that happens !

[lukkynumber13]

Wow we have seriously filled 3 pages discussing this draft bust...?

[whodunnit]

Wow we have seriously filled 3 pages discussing this draft bust...?

He's been more useful than your boy Moncrief...

[lukkynumber13]

Wow we have seriously filled 3 pages discussing this draft bust...?

He's been more useful than your boy Moncrief...

Eh, idk. His 2nd year, DM was a nice little asset to be able to start

[Valhalla]

If anyone cares...

My assessment of Patterson from years of watching him: He fights for the ball, aggressively, and his hands aren't all that bad. He's the best WR I've ever seen at running the football and making guys miss, and can leave nearly anyone in his dust. There isn't a WR in the league I'd rather see in the open field once the ball is in his hands. The issue with him...is that he looks like someone that would run around in center field and not know where the baseball is going to land, only to have it land nearly where he was originally standing. He's SO natural and absurdly athletic in his motions when he just needs to focus on the field in front of him. He's SO unnatural in his motions when he is looking back for or tracking the football (focusing on the field behind him). Ask him to rotate his torso back to the ball and he doesn't look like he has the flexibility. I know that sounds absurd to some that are educated some on this stuff, because agility relies on flexibility...right? Agility and lateral burst comes from flexibility in the hips, though. Flexibility in the torso isn't required to be absurdly explosive. There's no denying he's incredibly explosive with his lateral agility and his burst to get going is awesome. He seems to lack ability to simply rotate his torso all that well, which makes turning to catch the ball an unnatural motion for him. It's why somewhat often he turns his whole body to catch the ball and catches it falling/jumping backwards. Unless no one is around him, he can't really transition right into his gifted athleticism because he's facing backwards. Limited rotation in the torso causes him to face backwards to catch the ball, and that same limited rotation limits his ability to turn back around and get going.
I know that all sounds like a stretch, but I've watched him play a lot, and am trained to watch body mechanics, especially in athletic motions (also trained to fix those issues). This guy is an absurd athlete to try to tackle when he has the sole objective in front of him. Ask him to streak down the field, rotate his torso and catch a ball while continuing to run in stride...and those results are not as consistent as your average deep ball WR. What if an offense started feeding him on slant routes and screens more, allowing him to catch facing upfield? Was he doing this as a Raider? I didn't watch. He wasn't utilized that way much as a Viking. What if a team has him evaluated and finds these limitations do exist, and has them addressed?
I think it's an extreme long shot that he'll ever be more than average as a WR, because 1) I could be wrong in what I'm seeing (but I don't think so); 2) I doubt many NFL front offices have guys like me that would ever actually be given a chance to have a contributing voice so it wouldn't matter; 3) A front office that MIGHT listen to an expert may not have their eyes on Patterson; 4) Even if he's able to improve his rotation significantly, he still looks like a lost center fielder, which may or may not improve; 5) Therefore, he's not reliably adaptable as a WR and a team would need him running a lot of slants, which may not be what they want in their offense.

Maybe someone advising the Patriots FO noticed the same stuff. If anyone has someone assessing biomechanics on-hand (dream opportunity), it's the Patriots, possibly part of their Kraft Analytics team. Or maybe he's just being brought in to be a return specialist. Either way, he'll be useful to the Patriots.

[Life of Pablo]

Wow we have seriously filled 3 pages discussing this draft bust...?

Yeah I mean, I am enjoying this analysis, it's interesting even if it isn't relevant from a dynasty/fantasy perspective. It's why I come here so often, to just talk football. But man... only on DLF can the hot topic of the week be about Cordarrelle freaking Patterson lmao