Jaron Brown to Seattle

[bsp27]

I think this signing is going wayyyy under the radar. Brown has sneaky athleticism and is likely going to be on the field in all 3 receiver sets with Russel Wilson as his qb. Also, Tyler Lockett is nowhere near the same player he was pre acl tear.

[lukkynumber13]

I'm willing to spend a couple dollars of blind bid money on him. He may not make final cuts, but any starting WR is intriguing, especially when a HOF quarterback is throwing to him.

[clarion contrarion]

I view him as a solid depth guy on a dynasty roster wr5 type any higher than that on a depth chart is precarious .

[Go Bucks]

Worth a shot. But if they sign T Pryor, then forget it.

[Pullo Vision]

I thought this was an interesting signing, as well. Good depth ww pick up for a contender.

Curious what Seattle does about the WR corps (and TE) after the exodus this offseason. They are so lucky they found Baldwin.

[dynastyninja]

I'm willing to spend a couple dollars of blind bid money on him. He may not make final cuts, but any starting WR is intriguing, especially when a HOF quarterback is throwing to him.

I think HOF quarterback is being way too generous. Russ has a long way to go to get to HOF status.

[ninotoreS]

Jaron Brown's an okay flier, provided Seattle passes on Pryor (People are probably sleeping on Pryor, considering his '17 season was effectively sabotaged Week 2). Jaron Brown has some potential, but it doesn't speak well of him that he had such a prime opportunity in Arizona last year but mostly disappeared after Week 4.

Also, Tyler Lockett is nowhere near the same player he was pre acl tear.

First of all, Lockett didn't tear his ACL. He compound fractured his fibula and tibia. He partially tore his PCL early in 2016, but played through it.

Second, Lockett's injury was very late in the '16 season, and thus it was a small miracle he recovered quickly enough to be active for all of '17's games. But there was still a toll in that he wasn't at his physical peak for most of last season; he missed all of the off-season program and wasn't green-lit for contact until just before Week 1.

2018 he'll be full strength. As of now, there is zero objective evidence suggesting he's permanently diminished, and indeed his rapid convalescence is evidence of exactly the opposite. Toward the end of 2017 Lockett was looking like his old self again, which medically put him right on schedule.

[bsp27]

Jaron Brown's an okay flier, provided Seattle passes on Pryor (People are probably sleeping on Pryor, considering his '17 season was effectively sabotaged Week 2). Jaron Brown has some potential, but it doesn't speak well of him that he had such a prime opportunity in Arizona last year but mostly disappeared after Week 4.

Also, Tyler Lockett is nowhere near the same player he was pre acl tear.

First of all, Lockett didn't tear his ACL. He compound fractured his fibula and tibia. He partially tore his PCL early in 2016, but played through it.

Second, Lockett's injury was very late in the '16 season, and thus it was a small miracle he recovered quickly enough to be active for all of '17's games. But there was still a toll in that he wasn't at his physical peak for most of last season; he missed all of the off-season program and wasn't green-lit for contact until just before Week 1.

2018 he'll be full strength. As of now, there is zero objective evidence suggesting he's permanently diminished, and indeed his rapid convalescence is evidence of exactly the opposite. Toward the end of 2017 Lockett was looking like his old self again, which medically put him right on schedule.

I mean sure he probably wasn't 100% but even if he will likely never be as good as he was.

He was extremely below average in game speed, and his entire game is predicated on speed.

[Goddard]

I think this is a much better real-life signing than fantasy, but I'll definitely keep an eye on him during the preseason.

Also, I'd be shocked if Wilson didn't make it to the HOF.

[ninotoreS]

Jaron Brown's an okay flier, provided Seattle passes on Pryor (People are probably sleeping on Pryor, considering his '17 season was effectively sabotaged Week 2). Jaron Brown has some potential, but it doesn't speak well of him that he had such a prime opportunity in Arizona last year but mostly disappeared after Week 4.

Also, Tyler Lockett is nowhere near the same player he was pre acl tear.

First of all, Lockett didn't tear his ACL. He compound fractured his fibula and tibia. He partially tore his PCL early in 2016, but played through it.

Second, Lockett's injury was very late in the '16 season, and thus it was a small miracle he recovered quickly enough to be active for all of '17's games. But there was still a toll in that he wasn't at his physical peak for most of last season; he missed all of the off-season program and wasn't green-lit for contact until just before Week 1.

2018 he'll be full strength. As of now, there is zero objective evidence suggesting he's permanently diminished, and indeed his rapid convalescence is evidence of exactly the opposite. Toward the end of 2017 Lockett was looking like his old self again, which medically put him right on schedule.

I mean sure he probably wasn't 100% but even if he will likely never be as good as he was.

He was extremely below average in game speed, and his entire game is predicated on speed.

Your graph does nothing to respond to the points I've already made, including how Lockett was back to being a difference-maker as a returner as of Week 11.

Of course he was diminished physically after being unable to do any real preparation for the '17 season only nine months after his injury; there is no 'probably' about that, it's matter of fact. Everything from his cardiovascular fitness to his muscular strength was under-conditioned for the '17 season.

And "he will likely never be as good as he was" is baseless verging on nonsensical in the context of a 'clean' compound fracture (i.e. the bones weren't shattered or pulverized) that did no knee ligament damage at all. If this were the 19th century, yeah, he'd probably have a limp the rest of his life. But it's the 21st century now, dude; medical science today knows how to make sure a fracture heals correctly.

[StableOfRBs]

Jaron Brown's an okay flier, provided Seattle passes on Pryor (People are probably sleeping on Pryor, considering his '17 season was effectively sabotaged Week 2). Jaron Brown has some potential, but it doesn't speak well of him that he had such a prime opportunity in Arizona last year but mostly disappeared after Week 4.



First of all, Lockett didn't tear his ACL. He compound fractured his fibula and tibia. He partially tore his PCL early in 2016, but played through it.

Second, Lockett's injury was very late in the '16 season, and thus it was a small miracle he recovered quickly enough to be active for all of '17's games. But there was still a toll in that he wasn't at his physical peak for most of last season; he missed all of the off-season program and wasn't green-lit for contact until just before Week 1.

2018 he'll be full strength. As of now, there is zero objective evidence suggesting he's permanently diminished, and indeed his rapid convalescence is evidence of exactly the opposite. Toward the end of 2017 Lockett was looking like his old self again, which medically put him right on schedule.

I mean sure he probably wasn't 100% but even if he will likely never be as good as he was.

He was extremely below average in game speed, and his entire game is predicated on speed.

Your graph does nothing to respond to the objective points I've already made, including how Lockett was back to being a difference-maker as a returner as of Week 11.

Of course he was diminished physically after being unable to do any real preparation for the '17 season only nine months after his injury; there is no 'probably' about that, it's matter of fact. Everything from his cardiovascular fitness to his muscular strength was unconditioned for the '17 season.

And "he will likely never be as good as he was" is baseless nonsense in the context of a 'clean' compound fracture (i.e. it wasn't shattered or pulverized) that did no knee ligament damage at all.

So the injury that, according to Pete Carroll and the Seahawks (https://247sports.com/nfl/seattle-seaha ... e-50095580) should only have a 3-month recovery period and would start rehabbing within 6 weeks of the surgery and the one that in March (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/footb ... -recovery/) was reported as recovering ahead of schedule, is also the same injury that managing to derail Lockett's entire 2017 season? The same guy who, 5 and a half months after his injury (http://www.theolympian.com/sports/nfl/s ... 84164.html) was at minicamp catching passes from Wilson with all the other receivers and was with them for all of training camp.

While I agree that some of the statements about Lockett have been hyperbolic and probably aren't accurate in terms of his future career, don't act like his broken leg was the reason he didn't step up in 2017.

[ninotoreS]

So the injury that, according to Pete Carroll and the Seahawks (https://247sports.com/nfl/seattle-seaha ... e-50095580) should only have a 3-month recovery period and would start rehabbing within 6 weeks of the surgery and the one that in March (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/footb ... -recovery/) was reported as recovering ahead of schedule, is also the same injury that managing to derail Lockett's entire 2017 season? The same guy who, 5 and a half months after his injury (http://www.theolympian.com/sports/nfl/s ... 84164.html) was at minicamp catching passes from Wilson with all the other receivers and was with them for all of training camp.

Do you think '3-month recovery period' in this context means '3 months and he's back to 100%'? It only means he's off crutches and mobile like you and me again. It doesn't mean he's magically right back to where he was before the injury, a hyper fit peak human athletic specimen, after being totally gimped for 12 weeks (rehab isn't training).

At minicamp through all four preseason weeks, Lockett was not cleared for contact, and he was still woefully behind in game-fitness for half the season. That he was 'there' for all of camp is irrelevant when he was on the sideline with trainers for much of it, not cleared for anything high-intensity until a week or two before Week 1. The NFL isn't something you get up to game-speed for in just a few weeks. It takes months for a fully healthy person, and obviously even longer if you were on one leg for three-months prior, rehabbing healing bone and atrophied muscle after 1.5 months of putting no weight on the leg at all.

There's a reason the off-season program exists, and Lockett was not remotely a full participant in it; jogging and running routes at half-speed catching some balls in shorts at minicamp is not preparation. He was months behind everyone else in physical fitness, and surprise-no-surprise, just short of 3 months -- eleven weeks -- into the regular season is when he started making an impact on kick-off returns again. As you say, his injury had a 3-month recovery period on crutches, i.e. he was 3-months behind everyone else in his fitness. It fits exactly.

[meineymoe]

I think this is a much better real-life signing than fantasy, but I'll definitely keep an eye on him during the preseason.

Also, I'd be shocked if Wilson didn't make it to the HOF.

It takes more than being in a Macklemore video to get into the HOF. He's on the right path, but still has a ways to go,

-oo-

[bsp27]

Jaron Brown's an okay flier, provided Seattle passes on Pryor (People are probably sleeping on Pryor, considering his '17 season was effectively sabotaged Week 2). Jaron Brown has some potential, but it doesn't speak well of him that he had such a prime opportunity in Arizona last year but mostly disappeared after Week 4.



First of all, Lockett didn't tear his ACL. He compound fractured his fibula and tibia. He partially tore his PCL early in 2016, but played through it.

Second, Lockett's injury was very late in the '16 season, and thus it was a small miracle he recovered quickly enough to be active for all of '17's games. But there was still a toll in that he wasn't at his physical peak for most of last season; he missed all of the off-season program and wasn't green-lit for contact until just before Week 1.

2018 he'll be full strength. As of now, there is zero objective evidence suggesting he's permanently diminished, and indeed his rapid convalescence is evidence of exactly the opposite. Toward the end of 2017 Lockett was looking like his old self again, which medically put him right on schedule.

I mean sure he probably wasn't 100% but even if he will likely never be as good as he was.

He was extremely below average in game speed, and his entire game is predicated on speed.

Your graph does nothing to respond to the points I've already made, including how Lockett was back to being a difference-maker as a returner as of Week 11.

Of course he was diminished physically after being unable to do any real preparation for the '17 season only nine months after his injury; there is no 'probably' about that, it's matter of fact. Everything from his cardiovascular fitness to his muscular strength was under-conditioned for the '17 season.

And "he will likely never be as good as he was" is baseless verging on nonsensical in the context of a 'clean' compound fracture (i.e. the bones weren't shattered or pulverized) that did no knee ligament damage at all. If this were the 19th century, yeah, he'd probably have a limp the rest of his life. But it's the 21st century now, dude; medical science today knows how to make sure a fracture heals correctly.

yes "back to being a difference maker" on special teams doesn't exactly help in fantasy. From weeks 11-17 last year, when he was apparently "looking like his old self again" he had a whopping 16 catches for a grand total of 184 yards. Nice.

You are acting extremely hypocritical here, as you are downplaying the significance of his injury yet also using it to excuse his atrocious speed in 2017. And, even after he, according to you, magically regained his speed and "looked like his old self" he still was a non factor.

[FantasyFreak]

I'm willing to spend a couple dollars of blind bid money on him. He may not make final cuts, but any starting WR is intriguing, especially when a HOF quarterback is throwing to him.

Bit early to go there. He could, but a long way to go yet.