Carlos Hyde to the Browns

[kamihamster]

So maybe now they draft two QB and lessen their chances of busting? I get drafting a RB one overall is risky but it's not very often talent like that is around to be drafted one overall. Maybe they still get Barkley as Hyde always seems to be nicked up and they'll do the whole Atlanta thing with two starting RBs? I don't get it.

[Johnny Canuck]

I think it's actually a solid landing spot for him. Duke will catch a lot of balls, but that's strictly his game. Hyde will be the 2 down/GL back.

The situation is solid. Gordon and coco streaking down the field, stretching out the defense, Landry drawing coverage in the intermediate zones, and the persistent threat of Tyrod running should leave lots of holes for Hyde to run through. NTM they just got TE Fells who will help with run blocking.

Another thing to consider is who will ultimately have control of the RBs. While Hue loves Duke, Haley has liked to lean on one RB (over RBBC) in the past, so Hyde might still get most of the work, or at least some passing down work.

Hyde is pretty much where he was the last yr, the only difference is he'll get more yardage but fewer passes. He's still a fringe RB1/2 for me.

Projecting a line of: RUSHING 1100 yards, 10 TDs / RECEIVING 30 rec, 200 yards, 2 TDs. Combined 1300 yards and 12 TDs.

That gives him a ppg of 13.25 in half point, and would of ranked him 11th in ppg last season.


*The Barkley dream is over ppl, they love Duke and are talking ext. Maybe they sign a rookie, but I would expect that to be Chubb, Guice, or Scarbrough. One of the bruisers anyways.

[Jason3123]

Hue does not believe in Duke as a full time RB and has proven that thought with his actions. Duke will be leaving Cleveland after his contract is up.

Also Hue is a joke and should've been fired anyways but what can you do.

[snaps06]

I think it's actually a solid landing spot for him. Duke will catch a lot of balls, but that's strictly his game. Hyde will be the 2 down/GL back.

The situation is solid. Gordon and coco streaking down the field, stretching out the defense, Landry drawing coverage in the intermediate zones, and the persistent threat of Tyrod running should leave lots of holes for Hyde to run through. NTM they just got TE Fells who will help with run blocking.

Another thing to consider is who will ultimately have control of the RBs. While Hue loves Duke, Haley has liked to lean on one RB (over RBBC) in the past, so Hyde might still get most of the work, or at least some passing down work.

Hyde is pretty much where he was the last yr, the only difference is he'll get more yardage but fewer passes. He's still a fringe RB1/2 for me.

Projecting a line of: RUSHING 1100 yards, 10 TDs / RECEIVING 30 rec, 200 yards, 2 TDs. Combined 1300 yards and 12 TDs.

That gives him a ppg of 13.25 in half point, and would of ranked him 11th in ppg last season.


*The Barkley dream is over ppl, they love Duke and are talking ext. Maybe they sign a rookie, but I would expect that to be Chubb, Guice, or Scarbrough. One of the bruisers anyways.

Well put. These are a lot of my feeling as well.

[Dr.Graffin]

I'm trying to get a better sense how to value Hyde. Part of me wants to sell before the draft, afraid that if they draft Barkley his value will be considerably less to almost nothing. But if they don't draft Barkley, Hyde seems to be in a good offense on a team that should run a fair amount. Not to say they won't draft another RB, but if it's not Barkley, it shouldn't matter as much.

Am I right to assume that Hyde will maintain his low RB1 to mid RB2 dynasty value, IF the Browns do not draft Barkley? I'm only speaking in the short-term until the start of the regular season.

[Vcize]

I'm trying to get a better sense how to value Hyde. Part of me wants to sell before the draft, afraid that if they draft Barkley his value will be considerably less to almost nothing. But if they don't draft Barkley, Hyde seems to be in a good offense on a team that should run a fair amount. Not to say they won't draft another RB, but if it's not Barkley, it shouldn't matter as much.

Am I right to assume that Hyde will maintain his low RB1 to mid RB2 dynasty value, IF the Browns do not draft Barkley? I'm only speaking in the short-term until the start of the regular season.

As a Hyde owner, much of his value last year came from his 60 receptions, which seems like is mostly out the window now with Duke alongside him.

I know people are thinking of the Browns as a team on the rise, but we've been down that same narrative like 5 times already in this stretch of Browns' awfulness, so I'd rather not have to count on the Browns cranking out a double digit TD running back.

If I could get value to Hyde similar to what he had before I would sell. But no one seems to be offering that.

[DynoScout]

Any contenders kicking the tires on trading for Hyde? I don't own him anywhere but I'm pondering making an offer while there is blood in the streets.

[ninotoreS]

Opinion:

- Carlos Hyde isn't very good; he might even be a mild downgrade from Crowell
- Nick Chubb will be Cleveland's 3-down RB by next year, provided he can become competent on passing-downs
- Duke Johnson is skipping town in 2019; paying Hyde as much as they are and drafting Chubb must feel like a slap in the face for last season's team MVP (as voted by his teammates)
- Hyde is a candidate to be cut in 2019 since his dead-cap hit diminishes and Cleveland can then save 3.5 million, instead of paying him 6 million to be a backup

[IR1]

Any contenders kicking the tires on trading for Hyde? I don't own him anywhere but I'm pondering making an offer while there is blood in the streets.

Tried to move during our draft last weekend, best offer I got was 4.03 and 2019 3rd, as of now I’ll see what happens early in the season and see what I can get

[Vcize]

- Hyde is a candidate to be cut in 2019 since his dead-cap hit diminishes and Cleveland can then save 3.5 million, instead of paying him 6 million to be a backup

I believe they save $2.6 million by cutting him, not 3.5.

And while that's probably not worth paying to a likely backup RB, I worry because the Browns have insane amounts of cap space and might actually have more trouble metting the cap floor. If Hyde is providing any value to the team at all, what is $2.5mil savings to a team that has $71mil in extra cap space?

[Gronks]

From a football standpoint drafting a RB in the top 5 is a dumb move. Better to use those picks on more premium positions. They'll be going QB and pass rusher most likely.

^This

ppl saying the Browns are being the browns again is simply wrong. Unless you have an ideal circumstance and can afford to take an RB that early (i.e. have no other positional holes to fill) picking an RB at 1 or 4 is idiotic. It's been proven you can get Kamara/Hunt/DJ/Bell/etc in the later rounds, not selecting Barkley at 1/4 is the smartest thing they could do, and based on Dorsey's latest moves, the Browns have finally decided to be smart.

Browns played this well IMHO , but if Barkley turns out to be Barry Sanders then .......

[Valhalla]

From a football standpoint drafting a RB in the top 5 is a dumb move. Better to use those picks on more premium positions. They'll be going QB and pass rusher most likely.

^This

ppl saying the Browns are being the browns again is simply wrong. Unless you have an ideal circumstance and can afford to take an RB that early (i.e. have no other positional holes to fill) picking an RB at 1 or 4 is idiotic. It's been proven you can get Kamara/Hunt/DJ/Bell/etc in the later rounds, not selecting Barkley at 1/4 is the smartest thing they could do, and based on Dorsey's latest moves, the Browns have finally decided to be smart.

Browns played this well IMHO , but if Barkley turns out to be Barry Sanders then .......

He won’t.
Anyways, even if he does, what if mayfield turns into Brees? Even a Barry Sanders can’t contribute as much winning and staying power as an elite QB.

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

I'd still buy Hyde for a late 2nd.

[Jason3123]

I'd still buy Hyde for a late 2nd.

I would too. I think if you want to buy him, this is the time. If you want to sell him, wait until closer to the season or in-season.

[Dookmarriot]

One thing to note - assuming Hyde is cut next off-season, before he takes a snap he'll be 29 and on his third team in three seasons. So an investment in Hyde means you're hoping a) Chubb is a bust, b) Hue uses him effectively and c) the team he eventually ends up with is a decent destination. Lot of ifs for a guy who will be pushing 30, has some injury history, and has never hit a 1000 yards rushing.