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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Mon May 01, 2017 2:21 pm

IR1 wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 2:18 pm Not much, no reason for me to drop at this point, so I'll wait a little longer to see if carves out a 3rd down role
Exactly. The one league I own him, it's pretty deep so any RB that plays weekly snaps is rosterable, but I wouldn't get more than a 4th for him I'm sure.

There's a real chance that he can have a Gio type role, where he disappears here & there, but also has a few high end RB2 games in a PPR setting.

He's a hold.
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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby Valhalla » Mon May 01, 2017 2:32 pm

He'll be a 25yo UFA next offseason. He's shown he can be good in the shotgun and is a handy passing downs back. I could see a value spike for him if he ended up in NO, NE, OAK, NYJ, GB, PHI, BAL, PIT!!!, MIA, etc. Any/all of these teams could easily take other paths next offseason, but there's a chance for McKinnon to find a role. He's a pretty good back, IMO

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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby pa rider » Mon May 01, 2017 3:06 pm

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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby schiewerma21 » Mon May 01, 2017 3:53 pm

Never did
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QB:Josh Allen, Matt Ryan, Zach Wilson
RB: Saquon Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, JK Dobbins, Najee Harris, Joe Mixon, Deandre Swift
WR: Tyreek Hill, Justin Jefferson, Deandre Hopkins, Chris Godwin, Jamaar Chase, Allen Robinson, Rashod Bateman
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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby jcc6fd » Mon May 01, 2017 4:31 pm

Depends on your scoring and league size. He's probably dropable if you need to make cuts in a 12 team or smaller league. Any non-PPR leagues he's dropable as well.
10 Team Half PPR Scoring SF
QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby tstafford » Mon May 01, 2017 5:03 pm

Not much value. Has nothing to do with FA or the draft, it is that when given his chance he did very little with it. I own him in one league and doubt he makes it to opening day on my roster.

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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby zelldawg26 » Mon May 01, 2017 6:15 pm

He's 3rd string at this point. Asiata might even hold more value being they use him on the goal line. They might move McKinnon though which could increase his value but he is definitely droppable in my opinion.
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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby koalabear » Tue May 02, 2017 2:26 am

Picture yourself dropping him and someone immediately scooping him up. If you don't mind that happening then drops away.
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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby Tsunami » Tue May 02, 2017 8:25 am

I've been wanting him for a long time but I was never willing to pay the price as I don't see RBs as a very good investment usually. I think he still has future value, though probably not much in the short term obviously. If he is being dropped I will be picking him up, and perhaps I should send some lowball offers out. I'm buying.

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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby Reljac » Tue May 02, 2017 9:03 am

I drafted him and held him since then. The writing is on the wall. Vikings get to see more of McKinnon than we do and it's clear they see him as less valuable than Matt Asiata. He's been given chances and failed to capitalize

Look no further than 2016 to value him... 159 attempts 3.39 ypc. As a receiving back he did pretty well, but his yards per catch were a lackluster below 6.

Any other position and I'd give him a shot, but RBs are a dime a dozen to NFL teams. Only way I get excited is if the Patriots bring him in somehow.
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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby Valhalla » Tue May 02, 2017 11:50 am

Reljac wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 9:03 am I drafted him and held him since then. The writing is on the wall. Vikings get to see more of McKinnon than we do and it's clear they see him as less valuable than Matt Asiata.
? Why do you say that? Glancing at the numbers, McKinnon got 38 more carries, 11 more receptions (on 15 more targets), and although he only averaged 3.39ypc, it was still more than Asiata averaged. McKinnon beat Asiata in all these numbers while playing through and missing time due to an ankle injury.
Reljac wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 9:03 am He's been given chances and failed to capitalize
Look no further than 2016 to value him... 159 attempts 3.39 ypc. As a receiving back he did pretty well, but his yards per catch were a lackluster below 6.
His chances he failed to capitalize on:
2014 - Rookie year. Playing behind the more established team vet Asiata. McKinnon was a running QB in college, so for him to over-take a vet to the system his first year as a RB is a bit much to ask. No way they are not playing Asiata when they are trying to protect their rookie QB Bridgewater. The criticism of how he couldn't even find time over Asiata has just that TINY flaw in its short-sighted view. Despite being fairly new to the RB position and needing to protect a rookie QB behind a pretty relentless blitz the Vikings usually faced, McKinnon was given 113 carries at a 4.8 ypc clip. Not failing to capitalize, at all.
2015 - Peterson was back off his suspension. McKinnon's carries dropped down to 52 attempts, at a 5.2 ypc clip while spelling Peterson. I get why that 5.2 is inflated with the 3rd and long carries, but this was not failing to capitalize on his opportunities.
2016 - He was playing behind the worst OL play I've watched in my time, in one of the most predictable offenses I've watched. Todd Gurley just averaged 3.2ypc in a similarly predictable offense behind a better OL (but with a worse QB). Are we writing off Gurley, too? He did less per carry than McKinnon with a better line, and wasn't playing on a bum ankle I don't believe. Actually I just checked this. Gurley was playing through a thigh injury of some sort, McKinnon an ankle injury. Gurley gets the excuses though, whereas McKinnon just sucks? 2016 was not a fair assessment of anything with the Vikings running game. The only players that averaged more ypa than McKinnon were Patterson (on 7 carries) and Thielen (on 2 carries), on end around plays. Peterson averaged 1.9 ypa. McKinnon was running hurt, and I don't think I need to go over how injured that line was again. They lost so many starters and backups they played multiple waiver claim linemen, one being an undrafted rookie FA. You must realize that he's more than a 3.4 ypc RB behind even an adequate OL, and he'd make for a good ppr back in an open passing system, not ideal for a predictable up the gut system like the Vikings have been running. My honest assessment of his 2016 season, I'd say he actually performed pretty well behind that historically bad line, but it wasn't capitalizing on the open job, either. I doubt even NFL savior Elliott could have "capitalized" in that situation, though.

Reljac wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 9:03 am Any other position and I'd give him a shot, but RBs are a dime a dozen to NFL teams. Only way I get excited is if the Patriots bring him in somehow.
I do agree with you that his value doesn't look so great now. He's got an uphill battle to be fantasy useful this year, unless Cook gets injured. I think McKinnon gets carries still, but not enough to win games in fantasy. He's useful to the Vikings at this point, but not us. If you have the roster space and decide to hold, it's likely you have to either root for a Cook injury (I don't think Murray is all that great) or for McKinnon to find a better suited role in '18.
I think the main reason the Vikings grabbed Murray is they needed depth, as McKinnon has been injured and Asiata is nothing special. They then grabbed Cook because the value was there, and when you are a running team it doesn't hurt to have a couple good RBs. I don't think the signing of Murray OR the drafting of Cook was an indictment that the coaches have no trust in McKinnon's effectiveness. They were just the right football moves to make at the time. I still think McKinnon plays a good amount for the Vikings, but not enough to be fantasy relevant in '17 without an injury to one of the other two. His fantasy value now is as a handcuff (if you like to hold handcuffs) or as a '18 free agent bet if you have the roster depth to hold players like that.

I'm probably delusional though. I wouldn't be shocked, one bit, to see all three of Cook, Murray and McKinnon have games where they get the majority of the carries. I wouldn't want to count on a single one of them in my lineup, but would feel ok flexing Cook on and off.

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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby Goddard » Tue May 02, 2017 11:53 am

He might be worth something to the Mixon owner. If your draft hasn't happened yet, hold him and then shop him to that person.

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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby Reljac » Tue May 02, 2017 12:28 pm

I'm firm believer that teams don't go out and add a RB in free agency and a RB in the 2nd round of the NFL draft if they have an inexpensive option that they believe in, who was a former third rounder on their roster. For this reason I think Vikings say he tops out as RBBC role. What was clear with Asiata is they don't see McKinnon well in short yardage opportunity. I also don't see any improvement coming in the O-line this year.

Free Agent pool in my league is deep enough and it's non-ppr. The odds are against him popping out at Age 26 to a new team and becoming a strong asset.
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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby jcc6fd » Tue May 02, 2017 2:31 pm

A lot of mentioning Asiata in this thread. You guys do know the Vikes cut him, right? Not that it matters for McKinnon's value as he is now a backup 3rd down back.
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RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
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Re: McKinnon have any value?

Postby Valhalla » Tue May 02, 2017 2:47 pm

How much have you guys honestly watched McKinnon? I'm curious how he's automatically relegated to a backup 3rd down role...he isn't a DeAndre Washington type...at least not in my opinion.
I'm excited to have a talent like Cook joining the Vikings but I don't believe that McKinnon becomes irrelevant.


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