Jerick McKinnon Thread

[Accumen]

He's dead to me now. Will be dropping him as soon as I have a chance. Bit of a bummer... as I'd stashed him for a while and had hopes he'd turn into something valuable.

Ouch.

Got him for Ty Mont, 2.01 and 2019 late 2. Feeling good about it. #Freeman2.0

[Phaded]

...he's gonna start throwing?

[Valhalla]

Jag imo that is a good sell right now. Went for a 1st in my league. He's good at being athletic but when given the opportunity that's about all there was

You lost me at Jag

He couldn't take the lead back duties from Asiata. Prove me wrong.

At this point I feel like people are just trying to get others going...

Asiata, the vet to the system and a power back suited for the power running scheme, couldn’t hold off a rookie McKinnon when a primary duty was to help with the uncontrolled blitz on rookie QB Bridgewater. The one thing Asiata had on McKinnon was TDs. Certainly not efficiency, unless you’re talking about some metric like fantasy points per game (skewed by TDs). Prove me wrong.

[broncohead]

You lost me at Jag

He couldn't take the lead back duties from Asiata. Prove me wrong.

At this point I feel like people are just trying to get others going...

Asiata, the vet to the system and a power back suited for the power running scheme, couldn’t hold off a rookie McKinnon when a primary duty was to help with the uncontrolled blitz on rookie QB Bridgewater. The one thing Asiata had on McKinnon was TDs. Certainly not efficiency, unless you’re talking about some metric like fantasy points per game (skewed by TDs). Prove me wrong.

I starting caliber rb won't lose touches to a guy like Asiata. McKinnon has had 4 years with plenty of opportunity. Vikes went out and drafted a rb obviously didn't think McKinnon could be a quality starter. He's getting the Joe Williams and brieda treatment being over valued. Everyone thinks every 49ers rb is freeman

[_yeti]

All this back and forth without saying nutttin. Two things are true

1) McKinnon's efficiency #s to date should be alarming regardless of what spin you wanna give
2) the 49ers didn't pay him not to use him

so the question is what's that usage gonna be? That's how we can argue his "value" So here's a baseline and you can argue it up or down

rushing - 186 carries, 754 yards, 7 touchdowns
receving - 51 receptions 397 yards, 1 touchdown

it a full PPR league that's about 214 pts, in my half-point league that's about 189 pts and has him right at RB13.

having actual projections to work off of, what would you change up or down?

Less rushing td, less yards, otherwise close imo.

So, in 2017 when he wasn't "the guy" and didn't play the full year he had:
Rushing: 151 carries 570 yard 3 TDs
Receiving: 51 receptions 421 yards 2 TDs

So I think the above rushing projection (granted he stays healthy) is pretty reasonable and receiving should be higher. I project around:
rushing - 200 carries, 850 yards, 7 touchdowns
receiving - 80 receptions 600 yards, 5 touchdowns

[bsp27]

All this back and forth without saying nutttin. Two things are true

1) McKinnon's efficiency #s to date should be alarming regardless of what spin you wanna give
2) the 49ers didn't pay him not to use him

so the question is what's that usage gonna be? That's how we can argue his "value" So here's a baseline and you can argue it up or down

rushing - 186 carries, 754 yards, 7 touchdowns
receving - 51 receptions 397 yards, 1 touchdown

it a full PPR league that's about 214 pts, in my half-point league that's about 189 pts and has him right at RB13.

having actual projections to work off of, what would you change up or down?

Less rushing td, less yards, otherwise close imo.

So, in 2017 when he wasn't "the guy" and didn't play the full year he had:
Rushing: 151 carries 570 yard 3 TDs
Receiving: 51 receptions 421 yards 2 TDs

So I think the above rushing projection (granted he stays healthy) is pretty reasonable and receiving should be higher. I project around:
rushing - 200 carries, 850 yards, 7 touchdowns
receiving - 80 receptions 600 yards, 5 touchdowns

LOL

[Phaded]

I feel like I am literally reading the exact same argument between the exact same people for 8 pages.

Is he overpaid? Yes.
Did the 49ers have the cap space to burn? Yes.
Can he be great fantasy producer? Absolutely.

Efficiency or whatever be damned - if he put up fantasy numbers, what do you care?
If you have McKinnon, odds are you never paid that much for him - so if you keep him and even if he's an RB, you win. If you sell him for a 1st? You probably win too.

He's going to be a PPR machine.

[ericanadian]

He's dead to me now. Will be dropping him as soon as I have a chance. Bit of a bummer... as I'd stashed him for a while and had hopes he'd turn into something valuable.

Ouch.

Yup, ouch indeed. We have shallow rosters (26 including requiring 6 IDP starters), and he was an end of the bench guy. Hindsight is 20-20, but don’t know if I would have done anything any different. I would have grabbed him again but he was immediately bid up once Cook went down and I didn’t have a chance to get him back. Now he’ll be bid up even more next year.

At least I traded Kendall Wright, Ty Williams, and my ‘18 1st (turned into 1.12) for ARob (only 1-year contract) and the other guy’s ‘18 1st (turned into 1.10) right after ARob went down.

Win some, lose some. Just gotta keep swinging.

If it makes you feel any better, I am, and was, a big believer, but also dropped him thinking he would stay there buried behind Cook & Murray. I think it was five days later that Cook went down and I was way too high in the waiver order to grab him.

[_yeti]

Less rushing td, less yards, otherwise close imo.

So, in 2017 when he wasn't "the guy" and didn't play the full year he had:
Rushing: 151 carries 570 yard 3 TDs
Receiving: 51 receptions 421 yards 2 TDs

So I think the above rushing projection (granted he stays healthy) is pretty reasonable and receiving should be higher. I project around:
rushing - 200 carries, 850 yards, 7 touchdowns
receiving - 80 receptions 600 yards, 5 touchdowns

LOL

You just showed your lack of credibility. It isn't reasonable to expect that when made the focal point of a team at RB (with a good coaching and QB situation) that he could add 50 carries 280 yards 4 TDs onto 2017?

When he only had 3,3,2,2 carries the first four weeks of the season? That he couldn't add 30 catches, 180 yards and 3 TDs to what he did as a part of a committee in MN? When he only averaged 12.5 touches per season? You can tell who knows their stuff and who doesn't

[bsp27]

So, in 2017 when he wasn't "the guy" and didn't play the full year he had:
Rushing: 151 carries 570 yard 3 TDs
Receiving: 51 receptions 421 yards 2 TDs

So I think the above rushing projection (granted he stays healthy) is pretty reasonable and receiving should be higher. I project around:
rushing - 200 carries, 850 yards, 7 touchdowns
receiving - 80 receptions 600 yards, 5 touchdowns

LOL

You just showed your lack of credibility. It isn't reasonable to expect that when made the focal point of a team at RB (with a good coaching and QB situation) that he could add 50 carries 280 yards 4 TDs onto 2017?

When he only had 3,3,2,2 carries the first four weeks of the season? That he couldn't add 30 catches, 180 yards and 3 TDs to what he did as a part of a committee in MN? When he only averaged 12.5 touches per season? You can tell who knows their stuff and who doesn't

I don't disagree with the volume as much as the efficiency and td numbers. He has never been over 4 ypc in his career when given significant volume. And they are certainly going to draft another rb, Mckinnon certainly can't sustain health in a 70% opportunity share. It's very unlikely that he is the red zone back and gets 7 rushing td's.

I'd project it like 170 carries, 680 rushing yards, 3 tds with 65 receptions for 650 yards and 3 td's

[ArrylT]

He is a positional convert from QB like Edelman correct? I like it when guys like that make it big.

[nathanq42]

He is a positional convert from QB like Edelman correct? I like it when guys like that make it big.

played QB (mostly wild cat triple option shenanigans) in college until senior year, so he has had very little experience as a RB

[Bot101]

Shanahan came out and said he got "lost" watching McKinnon tape and envisioned all the ways he could use him in the passing game...

[James McGhee]

I dropped him last off-season in favor of keeping Ty Montgomery. The league has very shallow rosters. At time it was the correct move. Hindsight is a bitch.

[Valhalla]