Landry to Browns

[btv802]

Deandre Hopkins catches about 55% of his balls (and that is basically true for each season of his career so far). The only reason he gets the yards and TDs is cuz he gets 170 - 180 balls thrown his way each season. Landry catches closer to 70% of his balls. DeAndre does have a 14 ypc average, where Landry only does 8 ypc. But Landry did find the endzone 9 times in 2017 compared to 13 times for Nuk.

I guess what I'm saying, if Landry had gotten 170-180 targets, he'd have about the same amount of total yards and probably as many TDs as Nuk. They just go about how they get them differently. Nuk in longer chunks, Landry in shorter chunks.

That's what makes Antonio Brown so remarkable. He gets a ton of targets, but also has a high catch rate and a very good ypc rate. So he is the best of Nuk and Landry, in one package.

You can't compare Landry to Hopkins. You just can't. It's more reasonable to compare him to his cohorts doing their work near the line of scrimmage. In that context, I'd argue if you fed guys like Golden Tate, Randall Cobb, Jordan Matthews, Willie Snead, Albert Wilson & Jamison Crowder as many targets as Jarvis Landry that they would have similar numbers to him.

I object. Speculation. I'm not convinced that Tate, Cobb, Matthews, Snead, or Crowder are near as tough as Landry. Sustained.

I mean I actually edited Tate out of my my post because I realized that he actually did put up similar numbers to Jarvis on like 40 fewer targets this year...then I put him back in when I realized you had already responded. Every player on the list I made has had near or better than 70% catch rate seasons in their career. It's not as impressive as I think many realize, only when you compare it to receivers that are legit deep threats unlike Jarvis.

Just for fun I put Tate on a 161 target pace to compare him to Jarvis this year. It put him at 1346 yards and 7 TDs compared to Jarvis 987 yards and 9 TDs.

[saw061600]

That's a lot for a WR 3. I mean, Coleman WR1, Gordon WR2 and all (literally LOL as I type)

Only nominally. Coleman is the big loser here; it is likely he finishes a distant third to Landry and Gordon in receptions this year, assuming they all play 16 games.

Ha, my sarcasm didn't transfer well to this post.

[Jfever]

You can't compare Landry to Hopkins. You just can't. It's more reasonable to compare him to his cohorts doing their work near the line of scrimmage. In that context, I'd argue if you fed guys like Golden Tate, Randall Cobb, Jordan Matthews, Willie Snead, Albert Wilson & Jamison Crowder as many targets as Jarvis Landry that they would have similar numbers to him.

I object. Speculation. I'm not convinced that Tate, Cobb, Matthews, Snead, or Crowder are near as tough as Landry. Sustained.

I mean I actually edited Tate out of my my post because I realized that he actually did put up similar numbers to Jarvis on like 40 fewer targets this year...then I put him back in when I realized you had already responded. Every player on the list I made has had near or better than 70% catch rate seasons in their career. It's not as impressive as I think many realize, only when you compare it to receivers that are legit deep threats unlike Jarvis.

Just for fun I put Tate on a 161 target pace to compare him to Jarvis this year. It put him at 1346 yards and 7 TDs compared to Jarvis 987 yards and 9 TDs.

If only reality actually worked this way....

[btv802]

If only reality actually worked this way....

I'm just trying to make a more realistic comparison of Landry. Hopkins ain't it.

[ninotoreS]

I object. Speculation. I'm not convinced that Tate, Cobb, Matthews, Snead, or Crowder are near as tough as Landry. Sustained.

you don't get to sustain your own objection, counsel

Just for fun I put Tate on a 161 target pace to compare him to Jarvis this year. It put him at 1346 yards and 7 TDs compared to Jarvis 987 yards and 9 TDs.

Stafford > a vast distance across space and time > Smokin' Jay

[btv802]

I object. Speculation. I'm not convinced that Tate, Cobb, Matthews, Snead, or Crowder are near as tough as Landry. Sustained.

you don't get to sustain your own objection, counsel

Just for fun I put Tate on a 161 target pace to compare him to Jarvis this year. It put him at 1346 yards and 7 TDs compared to Jarvis 987 yards and 9 TDs.

Stafford > a vast distance across space and time > Smokin' Jay

Agreed but it doesn't take an elite QB to complete 6 yard passes. Sorry I'm just piling on right now..

Seriously though I'm only responding to JFever saying "just bump up Landry's target volume and his numbers look like Hopkins". He started this little game, not me.

[Jfever]

Scroll up. Double check that. I don't believe I was the one to say that if you bump up Landry's targets, his numbers would look like Hopkins.

[btv802]

Scroll up. Double check that. I don't believe I was the one to say that if you bump up Landry's targets, his numbers would look like Hopkins.

My bad I got confused!

So ok I'm fine with you invalidating my Landry to Tate comparison, but you are conveniently quiet on criticizing the Landry to Hopkins comparison which came first and is easily the worse of the two.

[Jfever]

I'm not confident in saying that if you switched the two (Landry and Hopkins) that they'd be interchangeable and produce similarly with the same targets. It could be close, but, who knows.....

But.... I do think it is close enough to compare. I see Landry as a special talent. When you watch him play, it seems clear. OR, at least when I've watched him play, he stands out. I'm a big fan of Landry. I see him as a tough football player. I love the grit that he plays with. I don't minimize his relevance based off of a few statistics like yards per reception or even overall yards on the season because I understand / or think I understand, that the situation he was coming from wasn't normal. I think the Qb's that have been throwing the ball in Miami (Tannehill, Cutler) and the running game, as well as other wide receivers (injured or otherwise) all have to be taken into consideration. Even the scores of the games and variables like these have to be included in order to truly make sense of the stats that get brought up (YPR, total Yards, Yards per target, etc.). Over using those numbers while ignoring how the kid plays is a mistake. I don't think that guys like Tate, Snead, Matthews are near as tough. I don't think they play as hard, run as hard, and have the same mind set. I've seen them all play, and, I don't have them in the same category as Landry. If I'm a head coach or an offensive coordinator, I want Landry on my team. I don't want to pay my slot guy what my #1 outside guy will demand, but, I think we have been in a trend lately and since W.Welker, G.Jennings, V.Cruz, etc, the slot guys are much more impact-full to a good, well rounded, take advantage of mismatches - offense.

[jonesmaster]

I'm not confident in saying that if you switched the two (Landry and Hopkins) that they'd be interchangeable and produce similarly with the same targets. It could be close, but, who knows.....

But.... I do think it is close enough to compare. I see Landry as a special talent. When you watch him play, it seems clear. OR, at least when I've watched him play, he stands out. I'm a big fan of Landry. I see him as a tough football player. I love the grit that he plays with. I don't minimize his relevance based off of a few statistics like yards per reception or even overall yards on the season because I understand / or think I understand, that the situation he was coming from wasn't normal. I think the Qb's that have been throwing the ball in Miami (Tannehill, Cutler) and the running game, as well as other wide receivers (injured or otherwise) all have to be taken into consideration. Even the scores of the games and variables like these have to be included in order to truly make sense of the stats that get brought up (YPR, total Yards, Yards per target, etc.). Over using those numbers while ignoring how the kid plays is a mistake. I don't think that guys like Tate, Snead, Matthews are near as tough. I don't think they play as hard, run as hard, and have the same mind set. I've seen them all play, and, I don't have them in the same category as Landry. If I'm a head coach or an offensive coordinator, I want Landry on my team. I don't want to pay my slot guy what my #1 outside guy will demand, but, I think we have been in a trend lately and since W.Welker, G.Jennings, V.Cruz, etc, the slot guys are much more impact-full to a good, well rounded, take advantage of mismatches - offense.

amen

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

I'm not confident in saying that if you switched the two (Landry and Hopkins) that they'd be interchangeable and produce similarly with the same targets. It could be close, but, who knows.....

But.... I do think it is close enough to compare. I see Landry as a special talent. When you watch him play, it seems clear. OR, at least when I've watched him play, he stands out. I'm a big fan of Landry. I see him as a tough football player. I love the grit that he plays with. I don't minimize his relevance based off of a few statistics like yards per reception or even overall yards on the season because I understand / or think I understand, that the situation he was coming from wasn't normal. I think the Qb's that have been throwing the ball in Miami (Tannehill, Cutler) and the running game, as well as other wide receivers (injured or otherwise) all have to be taken into consideration. Even the scores of the games and variables like these have to be included in order to truly make sense of the stats that get brought up (YPR, total Yards, Yards per target, etc.). Over using those numbers while ignoring how the kid plays is a mistake. I don't think that guys like Tate, Snead, Matthews are near as tough. I don't think they play as hard, run as hard, and have the same mind set. I've seen them all play, and, I don't have them in the same category as Landry. If I'm a head coach or an offensive coordinator, I want Landry on my team. I don't want to pay my slot guy what my #1 outside guy will demand, but, I think we have been in a trend lately and since W.Welker, G.Jennings, V.Cruz, etc, the slot guys are much more impact-full to a good, well rounded, take advantage of mismatches - offense.

What did I just read? Landry is certainly talented, but Hopkins can generate offense with no surrounding talent. Landry and all those slot WRs you mentioned cannot. They were all very good cogs in their respective offenses, but if you put Landry on HOU, there is a zero percent chance he would've produced the same way Hopkins did last year.

[btv802]

I don't want to pay my slot guy what my #1 outside guy will demand

That's it right there. That's all I care about really. Jarvis is good at what he does and of course I want him on my football team. He may not be capable of what elite NFL WR1 type players do, but he's a good football player in the proper context.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

What did I just read? Landry is certainly talented, but Hopkins can generate offense with no surrounding talent. Landry and all those slot WRs you mentioned cannot. They were all very good cogs in their respective offenses, but if you put Landry on HOU, there is a zero percent chance he would've produced the same way Hopkins did last year.

And this is why Landry "hate" is a complete figment of their imagination b/c they think he's the (or comparable to) the best receiver in football and he's not by any measure.

[Cult of Dionysus]

From a standpoint of fantasy football, we can surely compare the two. And if Landry was given the targets Nuk gets, they'd score similar points across the season.

At the end of the day, it's fantasy points that matter. And Nuk achieves those points less efficiently than Landry. And that gap will only increase as Landry joins what could be a very good offense, which Miami wasnt.

[Cult of Dionysus]

Some people can't see passed the seafood bar to the desserts.

lol