Cooper put up better #'s 22lbs heavier, it's not even close to the same.spotxc wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:34 am Coop
4.42 SEC
33.0 INCH
120.0 INCH
6.71 SEC
3.98 SEC
Ridley
4.43 SEC
15 REPS
31.0 INCH
110.0 INCH
6.88 SEC
4.41 SE
Tests similar is not similar in breakout age, dominator, or current age. Its combine performance
Id say speed is similar and lack of jump is similar and both agile with 3 cone, Amari a little better like i said..I can't help you if you can't see it, but most should
POST COMBINE Rookie top 12 PPR
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4.42-4.43 I don't know how you see numbers, but those are similar to me
both lack burst with jumping
Both are agile
Maybe Im the only one here who seems them similar, but seeing comps from employed analysts, I don't think Im far off
both lack burst with jumping
Both are agile
Maybe Im the only one here who seems them similar, but seeing comps from employed analysts, I don't think Im far off
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Yes, as I said now 3 times their 40 time is similar. But nothing else is. Cooper has Ridley beat in spades in every important metric. They arent even in the same conversation. And I didnt even think to bring in their weight differences, which makes the separation even wider.
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outside of the school they attended and their 40 times, they are completely different. Cooper has much higher burst, weight-adjusted speed, agility, catch radius, and even significantly higher agility.
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I wouldn't exactly say a 33-31 vert is beat in spades or a 6.7-6.8 is either. It was testing, not their mass either. Not even the same conversation or similar, Alabama wrs, both similar speed, lack of jump, both win with route running, yea I see your point
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I've seen a Marvin Harrison comparison. Same height (6'0), same weight (185 lbs), speed almost equal around 4.40, both 23 years and a half before draft, excellent route running, similar TD production, same yardage in 3 college years but...YPC is totally different in favor of Marvin (20 vs 12.5)
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I saw that comp and it factors better than amari anyways.
I just see people overreacting to a combine performance, making it out to be worse for them than they should aka dalvin. Same people had ridley at 4 and now have him outside their top 12 4 days later lol.. Baffles me
Everyone has their own evaluations and perspectives. One arguing against him was promoting combine warrior john ross, so I take it with a grain of salt
I just see people overreacting to a combine performance, making it out to be worse for them than they should aka dalvin. Same people had ridley at 4 and now have him outside their top 12 4 days later lol.. Baffles me
Everyone has their own evaluations and perspectives. One arguing against him was promoting combine warrior john ross, so I take it with a grain of salt
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I would really reconsider separating somebody’s mass from their testing. Their size is what gives these scores context. There’s also no reason for your condescending tone. Their broad jumps are significantly different, and their three cone drills are closer to 6.7-6.9 than 6.7-6.8.
The real key here is their size. Nobody is out here drafting Nyheim Hines early after his fast 40, because he’s small. We expect small, slight guys like Ridley to test better because they have less mass to move. Ridley’s numbers were across the board lower than Cooper’s despite weighing over 20 pounds lighter. They’re not similar athletes.
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Not condescending just surprised you can't see the pieces of the puzzle there. As a whole I do consider mass with their testing. All I pointed out is they tested in similar fashion in win in similar ways which they do
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No more need to argue it though, keep the post on rankings and that discussion
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I'm curious why some have Scarborough so high? Any athleticism he showed at the combine, we kind of already knew he had. That was his only calling card - size and decent athleticism.
I just can't see past his deficiencies as a runner, to see more than an upgraded Dwayne Washington.
I just can't see past his deficiencies as a runner, to see more than an upgraded Dwayne Washington.
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I pass everytime on "speedster" guys like Ross, Austin, Ford, Goodwin etc... I let people take the risk. Thin and made of glass. For one Steve Smith or Desean Jackson, there are too much guys like them. I'd rather have a guy a little bigger with less speed and good route runners like Hines Ward, Jarvis Landry and playing with toughness. Especially in PPR. I think Ridley can play mostly in the slot but sometimes outside. A smooth possession WR with some deep threat plays.spotxc wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:21 am I saw that comp and it factors better than amari anyways.
I just see people overreacting to a combine performance, making it out to be worse for them than they should aka dalvin. Same people had ridley at 4 and now have him outside their top 12 4 days later lol.. Baffles me
Everyone has their own evaluations and perspectives. One arguing against him was promoting combine warrior john ross, so I take it with a grain of salt
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That sounds more like Crabtree than Amari....that works for me .Blackout wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:39 pmI pass everytime on "speedster" guys like Ross, Austin, Ford, Goodwin etc... I let people take the risk. Thin and made of glass. For one Steve Smith or Desean Jackson, there are too much guys like them. I'd rather have a guy a little bigger with less speed and good route runners like Hines Ward, Jarvis Landry and playing with toughness. Especially in PPR. I think Ridley can play mostly in the slot but sometimes outside. A smooth possession WR with some deep threat plays.spotxc wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:21 am I saw that comp and it factors better than amari anyways.
I just see people overreacting to a combine performance, making it out to be worse for them than they should aka dalvin. Same people had ridley at 4 and now have him outside their top 12 4 days later lol.. Baffles me
Everyone has their own evaluations and perspectives. One arguing against him was promoting combine warrior john ross, so I take it with a grain of salt
Ridley has some of that “it” factor. I’m just not sure what it is yet but I am liking him more and more.
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