Release the Guice! - The Derrius Guice Discussion Thread

[austing]

Well, first off, I don't even have Michel in my top 6 in 2018, and I don't understand the love for him at all. I can't wait until the season starts for everyone to see how overrated he was this offseason.

Anyways, back to Guice, going off talent and predraft 2017 rankings, he's easily top-5. Fournette and Davis as the 1A/1B, then Guice, Cook, and Mixon in any order based upon preference. I'd toss Chubb in there with that group, and Barkley ahead of Fournette/Davis in his own tier. Here's how my tiers would look with all of them:

1: Barkley
2: Fournette/Davis
3: Guice, Chubb, Mixon, Cook

No mccaffery for you? Second question, are you in ppr or standard? I probably should have clarified as I am pretty much a ppr guy.

[austing]

Ugh thank you! Finally someone who also just doesn't see it with Guice. I do not think his run style will translate to the NFL in terms of longevity. People want to bag on Barkley because he avoids contact. Well Id prefer my RB to have a longer career. Guice run style will get him injured A LOT in the NFL. Guice looks like a good not great RB. Im so frustrated because no matter what every podcast, every ranking locks him in at 1.02. Im looking at a couple different players over him at 1.02.

Right? At least I'm not alone in this thinking.. I just don't see how a non-receiving back can be an elite fantasy force in today's game. That's why I took mixon, cook, and mccaffery and not fournette in my blockbuster rookie draft last year. Still happy with my decision but I'm willing to be educated on Guice if anyone has some reasoning as to what I'm missing.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Ugh thank you! Finally someone who also just doesn't see it with Guice. I do not think his run style will translate to the NFL in terms of longevity. People want to bag on Barkley because he avoids contact. Well Id prefer my RB to have a longer career. Guice run style will get him injured A LOT in the NFL. Guice looks like a good not great RB. Im so frustrated because no matter what every podcast, every ranking locks him in at 1.02. Im looking at a couple different players over him at 1.02.

Right? At least I'm not alone in this thinking.. I just don't see how a non-receiving back can be an elite fantasy force in today's game. That's why I took mixon, cook, and mccaffery and not fournette in my blockbuster rookie draft last year. Still happy with my decision but I'm willing to be educated on Guice if anyone has some reasoning as to what I'm missing.

People said that about Fournette but he had a college target share in the 82nd percentile and posted 36 receptions as a rookie. Guice's college target share is less, but still around average (44th percentile). If we contrast that with a guy like Jordan Howard who actually can't catch, he had a college target share in the 15th percentile. So you can see the difference between a zero and non-zero player in the passing game.

[bsp27]

Guice is extremely comparable to Ezekiel Elliott.

Barkley
Davis
Guice
Mixon
Cook
Chubb
Mccaffrey
Fournette.

[Defender]

Barkley

Fournette
Guice

Mixon
Chubb
Kamara
C. Davis
JuJu
Hunt
Michel
Cook

Hard to separate: Kupp/ Karryon/ Penny/ Ballage/ Freeman/ M Williams/ McCaffrey/ whichever rookie WR is highest on my board right now.

[snaps06]

Well, first off, I don't even have Michel in my top 6 in 2018, and I don't understand the love for him at all. I can't wait until the season starts for everyone to see how overrated he was this offseason.

Anyways, back to Guice, going off talent and predraft 2017 rankings, he's easily top-5. Fournette and Davis as the 1A/1B, then Guice, Cook, and Mixon in any order based upon preference. I'd toss Chubb in there with that group, and Barkley ahead of Fournette/Davis in his own tier. Here's how my tiers would look with all of them:

1: Barkley
2: Fournette/Davis
3: Guice, Chubb, Mixon, Cook

No mccaffery for you? Second question, are you in ppr or standard? I probably should have clarified as I am pretty much a ppr guy.

CMC would be placed in the middle of tier 3 in full PPR, or at the top of my tier 4 in 0.5 PPR or standard. I play primarily in 0.5 PPR, and I wasn't a massive CMC believer and I own no shares of him.

[austing]

Well, first off, I don't even have Michel in my top 6 in 2018, and I don't understand the love for him at all. I can't wait until the season starts for everyone to see how overrated he was this offseason.

Anyways, back to Guice, going off talent and predraft 2017 rankings, he's easily top-5. Fournette and Davis as the 1A/1B, then Guice, Cook, and Mixon in any order based upon preference. I'd toss Chubb in there with that group, and Barkley ahead of Fournette/Davis in his own tier. Here's how my tiers would look with all of them:

1: Barkley
2: Fournette/Davis
3: Guice, Chubb, Mixon, Cook

No mccaffery for you? Second question, are you in ppr or standard? I probably should have clarified as I am pretty much a ppr guy.

CMC would be placed in the middle of tier 3 in full PPR, or at the top of my tier 4 in 0.5 PPR or standard. I play primarily in 0.5 PPR, and I wasn't a massive CMC believer and I own no shares of him.

Gotcha. That makes sense then although I had cmc between cook and mixon above fournette for receiving reasons. Still am unsure how Guice will get enough receptions to be a rb1 in full ppr. Seems like an Ingram, Richardson, Jeremy hill guy. Great on the ground but not effective on third down. Haven't been wowed by his tape and I'm terrified if pay up for that pick I'll end up drafting a Bishop Sankey or beanie Wells. Not comparing directly just saying..

Also, why so low on michel? At 215 he looks very quick while not overly fast, and has obvious pass catching chops no? Even in half point doesn't he translate to a cmc or kamara lite with spring pass catching ability and marginal NFL between the tackles chops? Seems like a fairly high floor in full point also.

[austing]

Guice is extremely comparable to Ezekiel Elliott.

Barkley
Davis
Guice
Mixon
Cook
Chubb
Mccaffrey
Fournette.

Interesting rankings. I'm curious as to how exactly does Guice compare to Elliot? Not disputing that between the tackles both are beasty, but didn't zeke have a much more complete 3 down back profile with more receiving chops? Doesn't that make all the difference between having a zeke and a fournette? Seems like Guice and fournette have similar styles..

[Bot101]

I havent seen anyone post an argument in favor of Guice. I see everyone's rankings but no explanation as to what he offers that makes him locked into the 1.02. If someone sees my post above and can counter argue my doubts please do so. Id like to be convinced. Maybe theres something I am overlooking.

[Phaded]

I like what I see from Guice because I see a violent Lynch-like runner who runs VERY well inside.

I could see a path to him having more NFL success than Barkley without much difficulty.

[Bot101]

I like what I see from Guice because I see a violent Lynch-like runner who runs VERY well inside.

I could see a path to him having more NFL success than Barkley without much difficulty.

See the violence is what I dont like. His run style already led to him being dinged up in 2017 but everyone is overlooking it. What makes you think it wont be worse in the NFL? The players are bigger and faster than in college.

[Phaded]

Running backs will get dinged up regardless of their run style, especially in the NFL. Sure, injury is a concern but you can have the same concern for basically any running back. It is not like he had an extensive injury history, running back is an extremely physical position and I feel like the RBs who are great in between the tackles and embrace the physicality/are used to it are safer NFL bets than an athlete who is outrunning people and avoiding contact.

[Blackout]

As 2017 nfl rookie players after the season or as prospects before the draft 2017 ? I guess it's the first one.

Barkley

Kamara
Cook
Mixon
Fournette
Juju

Chubb
Guice
Hunt
C.Davis
Michel

Very random rankings with some style preferences.

[bsp27]

Guice is extremely comparable to Ezekiel Elliott.

Barkley
Davis
Guice
Mixon
Cook
Chubb
Mccaffrey
Fournette.

Interesting rankings. I'm curious as to how exactly does Guice compare to Elliot? Not disputing that between the tackles both are beasty, but didn't zeke have a much more complete 3 down back profile with more receiving chops? Doesn't that make all the difference between having a zeke and a fournette? Seems like Guice and fournette have similar styles..

Both players are in the 5'11''-6' height and 225 lb. weight size, and they each are entering the league as 20 year old rookies. Both are in upper 90th percentile speed scores. Zekes college target share was slightly higher at 8.9% compared to Guice's 7.3%, but it's not a huge difference. Guice also averaged 11.8 yards per catch in 2016 season.

Guice and Fournette are completely different. Guice is more fluid in space, has MUCH better lateral movement and agility.

[Bot101]

I like RBs who can be physical and break tackles. I dont consider it a positive when hes seeking out contact and not protecting himself. I dont see anything special when he runs that makes me go "wow that was impressive". As far as the Zeke comp above, is it really that glowing? Before he landed in Dallas the overall view on Zeke was very luke warm. If Guice can land on a team with a solid Oline than I will definitely like him more.