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Postby Concept Coop » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:54 am

Pick a potential trade target, then provide a cheaper alternative that you expect to provide better value.

I'll start:

Want: Doug Baldwin (ADP 38)
Get: Golden Tate (ADP 60)
Why: Same age; similar track records; Tate outscored Baldwin last year.

Want: Corey Davis (ADP 28)
Get: Mike Williams (ADP 70)
Why: The MASSIVE gap in ADP is simply overstated. While Davis was the better prospect, there is no reason he should be given a complete mulligan while we close the book on Mike.

Want: Deshaun Watson (ADP 64)
Get: Dak Prescott (ADP 115)
Why: Here are the only QBs in NFL history to score more fantasy points than Dak Prescott in their first two seasons: Luck, Newton. Dak is still the dynasty QB he was before Zeke went down. I love Watson, but his TD rate was fluky and will come tumbling back down to earth. When it does, his ADP will do the same.
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Postby AlPal&Ange » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:04 pm

I'll add one here!

Want: Evan Engram (ADP 41)
Get: Hunter Henry (ADP 62)
Why: Both are young (23) high ceiling Receiving TE's, and while Engram had the better year, he'll lose target shares to OBJ and others in the future.

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Postby Madadamus » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:11 pm

Cool idea.

Want: Alvin Kamara (ADP 10)
Get: Joe Mixon (ADP 30)
Why: Joe Mixon is still the better talent, his situation is just about as bad as you can get whereas Kamara's is about as good as you can get. I expect the Bengals to address the offensive line and Mixon should be getting close to 300 touches.

Want: Adam Thielen (ADP 31)
Get: Demaryius Thomas (ADP 69)
Why: Thomas is undervalued, he is a couple of years older but he's still been a solid WR2 the last couple of seasons with bottom 5 QB play. The Broncos should get a huge upgrade at QB in a couple weeks or in April, and I expect Thomas to give you similar numbers for a fraction of the cost.

Want: George Kittle (ADP 113)
Get: Eric Ebron (ADP 130)
Why: This is an easy one.

Want: Jimmy Garoppolo (ADP 82)
Get: Matthew Stafford or Kirk Cousins (ADP 115 and 118)
Why: They have been rock solid QB1's for a few years now, they just are a bit older and aren't as sexy as Jimmy G, but are more likely to outscore the new GOAT.
12 Team PPR Dynasty - DLFS
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: J. Burrow, M. Stafford, C. Wentz
RB: S. Barkley, D. Swift, J.K. Dobbins, C. Edwards-Helaire, R. Penny, G. Edwards, K. Drake
WR: T. Higgins, M. Evans, B. Aiyuk, C. Watson, K. Toney, M. Thomas, C. Ridley, C. Davis, J. Reagor
TE: D. Waller, E. Engram, H. Hurst, D. Njoku, G. Dulich, J. Akins
2023 Picks: 1st, 2nd, 2nd (mid), 3rd, 4th, 4th (mid)

12 Team PPR Dynasty
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: J. Herbert, M. Stafford, J. Winston, D. Lock, M. Mariota, J. Stidham, R. Fitzpatrick
RB: C. McCaffrey, A. Kamara, E. Elliott, J. Dobbin, J. Mixon, A. Mattison, J. White, L. Bell
WR: D. Moore, J. Jeudy, O. Beckham Jr., C. Claypool, C. Davis. D. Parker, L. Fitzgerald, B. Perriman, W. Snead
TE: E. Engram, C. Kmet, C. Herndon, K. Warring
2021 Picks: 1.10, 2.10, 3.10, 4.10

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Postby Concept Coop » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:17 pm

Madadamus wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:11 pm Want: Alvin Kamara (ADP 10)
Get: Joe Mixon (ADP 30)
Why: Joe Mixon is still the better talent, his situation is just about as bad as you can get whereas Kamara's is about as good as you can get. I expect the Bengals to address the offensive line and Mixon should be getting close to 300 touches.
Hate. Kamara is hands down one of the more talented skill players in the league. Mixon is bigger and faster, but not more talented.

Madadamus wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:11 pm Want: Jimmy Garoppolo (ADP 82)
Get: Matthew Stafford or Kirk Cousins (ADP 115 and 118)
Why: They have been rock solid QB1's for a few years now, they just are a bit older and aren't as sexy as Jimmy G, but are more likely to outscore the new GOAT.
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Postby moishetreats » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:37 pm

Want: Diggs (ADP 22)
Get: Smith-Schuster (ADP 36)
Why: SS scored more points in his rookie season than Diggs has in any of his three seasons in the league.


Want: Hyde (ADP 48)
Get: McCoy (ADP 70)
Why: McCoy is three years older, but I still think that he'll have more productive seasons through the rest of his career than Hyde will in his. And almost certainly more RB1 seasons even if fewer overall top-24 seasons.


Want: Marvin Jones (ADP 54)
Get: Demaryius Thomas (ADP 69)
Why: Jones got tons of hype for a monster season; Thomas got ripped for a terrible one. They were only 26 points apart. Jones will come down, Thomas will go back up. And 30 isn't THAT old for a WR like Thomas.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186

IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --

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Postby pierson242 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:12 pm

Concept Coop wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:54 am Pick a potential trade target, then provide a cheaper alternative that you expect to provide better value.

I'll start:

Want: Deshaun Watson (ADP 64)
Get: Dak Prescott (ADP 115)
Why: Here are the only QBs in NFL history to score more fantasy points than Dak Prescott in their first two seasons: Luck, Newton. Dak is still the dynasty QB he was before Zeke went down. I love Watson, but his TD rate was fluky and will come tumbling back down to earth. When it does, his ADP will do the same.
I love this! Mine wouldve been similiar maybe with Wentz or Luck but the get wouldve been Dak!
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Postby skip » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:15 pm

Want: A top 5 RB
Get: Devonta Freeman
Why: Freeman is barely hanging on to a top 10 ranking at RB not including the incoming rookies. He's only 25 years of age with plenty of mileage left and is as good a bet as anyone for a top 5 finish.
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Postby clarion contrarion » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:07 pm

want hayden hurst
get maxx williams
why same player and williams after 3 years in the league is still younger
.....this has been a public service announcement from forum superstar clarion contrarion
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WR ant brown evans c davis golladay godwin gordon j washington doctson watson lazard patrick henderson
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Postby kamihamster » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:12 pm

Want: OBJ
Get: Josh Gordon
Why: they are GOATa and GOATb
NTL (est 2016): (8-0)
12-team, PPR, 1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,1FLX
QB: A.Rodgers, D.Jones
RB: A.Kamara, K.Johnson, K.Drake, Da.Henderson, C.Anderson, K.Ballage, T.Montgomery, J.Wilson, D.Ogunbowale, Dw.Washington, J.Kelly, P.Perkins, A.Blue
WR: O.Beckham, D.Hopkins, C.Kupp, D.Chark, R.Foster, A.Wilson, J.Reynolds, S.Morgan, B.Pringle, O.Johnson, D.Williams, D.Willis
TE: J.Cook, M.Andrews, A.Shaheen, B.Jarwin
2020 Picks: 3, 4
2021 Picks: 1, 2, 3, 4
2022 Picks: 1, 2, 3, 4

Home League (est 2014): 2018 Champ (6-2)
12-team, NPPR-6ptTD, 1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,2FLX,1K,1DST,4IDP
QB: P.Mahomes, J.Goff
RB: D.Cook, A.Kamara, J.Mixon, M.Breida, S.Michel, F.Gore, D.Guice, K.Ballage, D.Ogunbowale, R.Bonnafon, J.Scarlett, W.Gallman, J.Kelly, J.Wilson
WR: D.Adams, J.Smith-Schuster, T.Boyd, A.Robinson, L.Fitzgerald, Jo.Brown, M.Valdes-Scantiling, K.Harmon, Z.Pascal
TE: E.Engram, A.Hooper
DST: NOS
K: W.Lutz
2020 Picks: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
2021 Picks: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Postby ArrylT » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:00 pm

clarion contrarion wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:07 pm want hayden hurst
get maxx williams
why same player and williams after 3 years in the league is still younger
Guess I know who I will have to outbid in Civil War league now. 8-)
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Postby Bot101 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:42 pm

Wow this is really cool. Love the Kamara/Mixon take. Couldnt agree more.

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Postby Madadamus » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:58 pm

Want: Amari Cooper (ADP 15)
Get: Corey Davis (ADP 27)
Why: Both were top 5 picks and while Cooper has done much more in the NFL so far, I think Davis is a very similar player but can be had a little cheaper.

Want: Mark Ingram (ADP 50)
Get: LeSean McCoy (ADP 70)
Why: McCoy isn't that much older but I think they are similar producing players and he can be had 2 rounds later according to ADP.
12 Team PPR Dynasty - DLFS
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: J. Burrow, M. Stafford, C. Wentz
RB: S. Barkley, D. Swift, J.K. Dobbins, C. Edwards-Helaire, R. Penny, G. Edwards, K. Drake
WR: T. Higgins, M. Evans, B. Aiyuk, C. Watson, K. Toney, M. Thomas, C. Ridley, C. Davis, J. Reagor
TE: D. Waller, E. Engram, H. Hurst, D. Njoku, G. Dulich, J. Akins
2023 Picks: 1st, 2nd, 2nd (mid), 3rd, 4th, 4th (mid)

12 Team PPR Dynasty
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: J. Herbert, M. Stafford, J. Winston, D. Lock, M. Mariota, J. Stidham, R. Fitzpatrick
RB: C. McCaffrey, A. Kamara, E. Elliott, J. Dobbin, J. Mixon, A. Mattison, J. White, L. Bell
WR: D. Moore, J. Jeudy, O. Beckham Jr., C. Claypool, C. Davis. D. Parker, L. Fitzgerald, B. Perriman, W. Snead
TE: E. Engram, C. Kmet, C. Herndon, K. Warring
2021 Picks: 1.10, 2.10, 3.10, 4.10

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Postby dynastyninja » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:27 pm

I'll pile on. This is a very fun exercise.

Want: Jay Ajayi (ADP 56)
Get: Lamar Miller (ADP 93)
Why: Foreman has pushed Miller's value down significantly, to the point where he's a steal at "half" the price of Ajayi.

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Postby skip » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:31 pm

dynastyninja wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:27 pm I'll pile on. This is a very fun exercise.

Want: Jay Ajayi (ADP 56)
Get: Lamar Miller (ADP 93)
Why: Foreman has pushed Miller's value down significantly, to the point where he's a steal at "half" the price of Ajayi.
Yikes...I knew people were down on Miller but the ADP here is crazy. As a Miller owner, no way am I moving him for Ajayi in a straight up trade.
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Postby clarion contrarion » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:53 pm

ArrylT wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:00 pm
clarion contrarion wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:07 pm want hayden hurst
get maxx williams
why same player and williams after 3 years in the league is still younger
Guess I know who I will have to outbid in Civil War league now. 8-)
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WR ant brown evans c davis golladay godwin gordon j washington doctson watson lazard patrick henderson
RB mixon cohen chubb aaron jones hunt malcolm brown
TE eifert howard njoku
K tucker DEF pittsburgh chicago
2012 , 2014 2015 2016 2017 & 2018 ACDL Champion 5 IN A ROW 6 in 7 years- now that is dynasty!
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