Hindsight is 20/20

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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby Tvols » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:00 pm

Tvols wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:00 pm With this being hindsight and have knowledge of this information I would take Julio hands down back then ..
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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby dynastyninja » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:57 pm

I'm surprised here. I just don't see how it's clearly Julio. Gurley gives you a better chance to win a championship over those 3 years. He's also 6 years younger. It's a no-brainer to me short and long term.

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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby snaps06 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:31 pm

Knowing what I know now, I'd take Gurley. But if I owned Julio and took him over Gurley at the time, I'd have no regrets because I would still feel like the decision was the correct one at that exact point in time. I took the proven elite production over the unknown RB coming off an ACL tear going into a *shudder* Jeff Fisher offense. Think about the people that sold a solid player for 1.03 in the 2016 draft and took Treadwell. It goes both ways. It's all a crapshoot. And the title says it all... hindsight truly is 20/20.
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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby skip » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:32 pm

dynastyninja wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:57 pm Gurley gives you a better chance to win a championship over those 3 years.
The only data you have is from 2017. Guaranteed more championship teams had Julio than Gurley in each of the prior seasons.
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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby dynastyninja » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:57 pm

skip wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:32 pm
dynastyninja wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:57 pm Gurley gives you a better chance to win a championship over those 3 years.
The only data you have is from 2017. Guaranteed more championship teams had Julio than Gurley in each of the prior seasons.
But that's not really my point. My point is that, in any of the last three years, Julio never gave you anything close to the advantage that Gurley did in 2017. The goal in fantasy is to win championships. Gurley gave you a better chance to win a championship over that 3 year period.

Julio was a nice piece, but Gurley was THE piece.

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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby skip » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:05 pm

dynastyninja wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:57 pm
skip wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:32 pm
dynastyninja wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:57 pm Gurley gives you a better chance to win a championship over those 3 years.
The only data you have is from 2017. Guaranteed more championship teams had Julio than Gurley in each of the prior seasons.
But that's not really my point. My point is that, in any of the last three years, Julio never gave you anything close to the advantage that Gurley did in 2017. The goal in fantasy is to win championships. Gurley gave you a better chance to win a championship over that 3 year period.

Julio was a nice piece, but Gurley was THE piece.
So you would suggest that Gurley helping you more in one season is better than Julio helping more in two? I'm not on board with that logic just because his percentage was higher in that one season.
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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby dynastyninja » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:11 pm

skip wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:05 pm
dynastyninja wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:57 pm
skip wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:32 pm

The only data you have is from 2017. Guaranteed more championship teams had Julio than Gurley in each of the prior seasons.
But that's not really my point. My point is that, in any of the last three years, Julio never gave you anything close to the advantage that Gurley did in 2017. The goal in fantasy is to win championships. Gurley gave you a better chance to win a championship over that 3 year period.

Julio was a nice piece, but Gurley was THE piece.
So you would suggest that Gurley helping you more in one season is better than Julio helping more in two? I'm not on board with that logic just because his percentage was higher in that one season.
That's sorta what I'm saying, but the amount they helped wasn't equal. The "score" isn't Julio: 2, Gurley: 1. Their impact on championships was vastly different. 2016 can almost be ignored because neither player was on a large share of championship teams.

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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:17 pm

I don't think "who did more in the playoffs" is quite the spirit of the question.

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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby dynastyninja » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:47 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:17 pm I don't think "who did more in the playoffs" is quite the spirit of the question.
I figured I was misunderstanding something, so I'm sure you're right that I was answering the wrong part of the question. Whatever the case, with hindsight, picking Gurley gave you a better chance at a championship.

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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby sloth8u » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:39 am

Ninja, should your argument be ignored if you own Gurley and missed the playoffs this year?

It seems like the argument is based merely off the last 3 games played for us.

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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby ericanadian » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:20 am

dynastyninja wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:57 pm I'm surprised here. I just don't see how it's clearly Julio. Gurley gives you a better chance to win a championship over those 3 years. He's also 6 years younger. It's a no-brainer to me short and long term.
You're going on the assumption that the person has a playoff caliber team all three years. There is no guarantee of that. I'll take more years over more percentage when I don't know the quality of the rest of the team.
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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby Tvols » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:23 am

After reading the question again think I misunderstood the first time but now knowing what i know today that’s tough. I think I would still take Julio a young stud wr over a young back that is very good but not proven . I would want Julio he was a set and foget it player and what else would u want ..
I mean u getting three years of good production compared to one I like the odds better with 3 vs one
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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby clarion contrarion » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:56 am

well if anyone on the planet would have traded julio straight up for the 1:1 three years ago then this question would be more valid . That wasn't happening except in a damned few instances like leagues with gurley's mom involved in them, right? so the answer is now and should always be julio side by a country mile. Julio would net the 1:1 plus at least 2 or 3 more 1's or high ceiling top prospects .
so davante adams gio and the 1:1 for julio or something like that
or the 1:1 1:5 and a 2016 1st and 2nd for julio
interesting thread but a bit flawed in the logic - I just feel lucky to have beaten gurley led teams in both the leagues I won this year - barely squeaked by in both.
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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby sloth8u » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:57 am

clarion contrarion wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:56 am - I just feel lucky to have beaten gurley led teams in both the leagues I won this year - barely squeaked by in both.
congrats!!!

amazing, did you happen to beat him in week 14? i think he only had high 20's that week. went off for 45+ in 15 and 16. id imagine he won alot of leagues for mediocre teams. gotta feel good to top that with your squad, but it gives those middling teams some hope that they are only a "hot piece" away.

ninja, there was a thread a ways back that centered around who the better own was....gore or martin. this seems to center around the same type of discussion as what your bringing up. (dont have time to look it up but jules likely knows where it is)

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Re: Hindsight is 20/20

Postby clarion contrarion » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:39 am

actually with sig team and another in title games won 1 by.76 the other by 4 and both teams were w/o antonio brown so I really was not optimistic but plodded through!
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