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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby SnidelyWhiplash » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:17 pm

I think I would give my 1.03 for Mixon but am waiting for the draft to be sure.

It would take a mid 1st to get Kupp off my roster.
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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby Big Al » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:47 pm

btv802 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:25 pm
Missile wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:23 am
millworkguy wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:07 am
Really? Most leagues I'm in guys are asking for a mid late 1st for him 1.08 or so.
As a Kupp owner there is no way I’m selling for a mid 2nd
Agreed Kupp cost a mid-late 2nd in actual rookie drafts last year. His price went up quite a bit.
I'm would be buying Kupp for a late first, but no one is selling for that. It would take a bit more than a mid second.

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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby James McGhee » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:40 pm

Big Al wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:47 pm
btv802 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:25 pm
Missile wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:23 am
As a Kupp owner there is no way I’m selling for a mid 2nd
Agreed Kupp cost a mid-late 2nd in actual rookie drafts last year. His price went up quite a bit.
I'm would be buying Kupp for a late first, but no one is selling for that. It would take a bit more than a mid second.
I guess I'm a little off on my valuation then! I'd probably pay a late 1st/early 2nd but I wouldn't pay a mid 1st for him.
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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby snaps06 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:12 pm

James McGhee wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:40 pm
Big Al wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:47 pm
btv802 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:25 pm
Agreed Kupp cost a mid-late 2nd in actual rookie drafts last year. His price went up quite a bit.
I'm would be buying Kupp for a late first, but no one is selling for that. It would take a bit more than a mid second.
I guess I'm a little off on my valuation then! I'd probably pay a late 1st/early 2nd but I wouldn't pay a mid 1st for him.
Why is everyone so high on Cooper Kupp? I wouldn't pay a 1st for him in any format. It's ridiculous that Kupp is apparently valued at a mid-to-late 1st, but players like Julio can barely fetch an early 1st in some leagues.
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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby hockeyBjj » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:14 am

gameaholica wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:07 pm I targeted Cooper and got him.


Edited as you might think overpay:

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But this was and is how I valued Cooper.
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Cooper owner in my league wanted my Juju and 1.6 for Cooper and 1.10
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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby pierson242 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:23 am

snaps06 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:12 pm
James McGhee wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:40 pm
Big Al wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:47 pm

I'm would be buying Kupp for a late first, but no one is selling for that. It would take a bit more than a mid second.
I guess I'm a little off on my valuation then! I'd probably pay a late 1st/early 2nd but I wouldn't pay a mid 1st for him.
Why is everyone so high on Cooper Kupp? I wouldn't pay a 1st for him in any format. It's ridiculous that Kupp is apparently valued at a mid-to-late 1st, but players like Julio can barely fetch an early 1st in some leagues.
Curious, why do you not like Kupp?
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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby btv802 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:14 am

snaps06 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:12 pm
James McGhee wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:40 pm
Big Al wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:47 pm

I'm would be buying Kupp for a late first, but no one is selling for that. It would take a bit more than a mid second.
I guess I'm a little off on my valuation then! I'd probably pay a late 1st/early 2nd but I wouldn't pay a mid 1st for him.
Why is everyone so high on Cooper Kupp? I wouldn't pay a 1st for him in any format. It's ridiculous that Kupp is apparently valued at a mid-to-late 1st, but players like Julio can barely fetch an early 1st in some leagues.
I'm not in love with him either, but a lot of people value production vs theoretical upside and he has the shine of being in the LA Rams offense longterm. I think we've prob seen his ceiling so if you are happy spending a 1st for that be my guest.
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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby btv802 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:16 am

pierson242 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:23 am
snaps06 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:12 pm
James McGhee wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:40 pm

I guess I'm a little off on my valuation then! I'd probably pay a late 1st/early 2nd but I wouldn't pay a mid 1st for him.
Why is everyone so high on Cooper Kupp? I wouldn't pay a 1st for him in any format. It's ridiculous that Kupp is apparently valued at a mid-to-late 1st, but players like Julio can barely fetch an early 1st in some leagues.
Curious, why do you not like Kupp?
Think he's a good but not great player who landed in a great spot for rookie year production and that we've probably already seen his ceiling. Kudos if you drafted him in the late 2nd last year but I don't think the arrow is pointing up on him. I'd argue it's likely pointing down if Rams bring Sammy back.

I'm sure it's been said before...if you like Cooper Kupp, buy a similarly aged JMatt for a fraction of the cost right now.
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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby moishetreats » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:34 pm

1) I'll second the call on Mariota.

2) I'll throw this name out there: Mike Evans. I've heard just enough whispers that he was always overrated that you might have an owner viewing him more as a top-8 or top-10 WR than a top-8 or top-10 player. If that's the case -- and if you're a believer -- I think that it's worth putting a feeler out there. This could be the cheapest that he'll be for a loooong time.
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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby snaps06 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:39 pm

btv802 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:14 am
snaps06 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:12 pm
James McGhee wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:40 pm

I guess I'm a little off on my valuation then! I'd probably pay a late 1st/early 2nd but I wouldn't pay a mid 1st for him.
Why is everyone so high on Cooper Kupp? I wouldn't pay a 1st for him in any format. It's ridiculous that Kupp is apparently valued at a mid-to-late 1st, but players like Julio can barely fetch an early 1st in some leagues.
I'm not in love with him either, but a lot of people value production vs theoretical upside and he has the shine of being in the LA Rams offense longterm. I think we've prob seen his ceiling so if you are happy spending a 1st for that be my guest.
This is basically where I fall with Kupp. I just don't see a huge ceiling. If I'm going for a championship, Kupp is not someone I'd target to get me there, especially at a 1st round price tag. He's going to be a nice PPR player for a few years with an okay floor, but will never put up a 1200+ yard or 10 TD season. Kupp is a nice 4th receiver or flex player with a low ceiling but decent floor IMO. The Rams offense runs through Gurley, with Woods being the current WR1. Watkins and Kupp are pretty much tied as the WR2 in that offense, and Watkins has a much better chance to pass Woods as the WR1 than Kupp. He could be the WR3 on his own team (at best the WR2 in an offense that spreads the ball) come next season. Not the type of WR I'm gonna target.
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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby millworkguy » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:01 pm

I understand the lack of love for kupp, but looking at the stats you have to give him credit. Since 2004 only 97 drafted players have had a 800 yards season. That's approx 15% of all drafted wr. Kupp was one of them. He may not be your ideal target, but he did succeed this year. Who sold t hill last off season as a gadget player. I hear more about people not being high on this wr class (as we could see 4 or 5 rb start off rookie drafts) which wr this draft would you rather have over him. Sutton Ridley Washington ?. That puts us at pick 1.08 do you have 5 more over him.
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Postby clarion contrarion » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:43 am

player A age 25 on 2018 opening day - 62 -869 5 tds -- cost to acquire late 1st - wtf ? no way
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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby Fezzik » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:20 pm

Gronk's my buy low.... injury bug and retirement concerns, but he wins titles for you if he's playing. Worth kicking the tires in your leagues.

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Re: Buy low targets - who are you going after

Postby millworkguy » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:20 pm

Fezzik wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:20 pm Gronk's my buy low.... injury bug and retirement concerns, but he wins titles for you if he's playing. Worth kicking the tires in your leagues.
As a gronk owner I am not selling low. Is anyone?
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