Three new letters for DGB

[Goddard]

DONE has 4 letters.

BEEN DONE has 8.

[dynastyninja]

While he was at Missouri, I honestly thought he was the next AJG. Lean, rangy, massive catch radius, solid speed and great hands. I remember attempting to acquire 1st rounders 2 years out in hopes to corner the market on him. He fell dramatically from that point getting kicked out of school and going off the deep end. I still love watching his Mizzou highlights.

Agreed, he has a pretty great college highlight tape

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Agreed, he has a pretty great college highlight tape

Every college player does. DGB was a project coming out of college and he was not that talented in terms of raw football skills. I saw catch radius mentioned and for a 6'5" guy his catch radius was poor. For context, 5'10" Brandin Cooks has a larger measurable catch radius. DGB wasn't as skilled as people say and he wasn't the athlete people say. He was big and could run fast in a straight line but his vertical and agility were very poor. If he had his head on straight and had a crazy work ethic maybe he could have got there. But we never actually saw this fictional player that people describe him as.

[Phaded]

Agreed, he has a pretty great college highlight tape

Every college player does.

This is so true but so many people around here forget about that.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Littered with them? Like who? The only two I see are Gordon & Bryant, and even them you could make a case for not being top 100.

Over the years:
Ezekiel Elliot ripped a girls top off while he was being investigated for domestic violence by the league
LeVeon Bell is a dipshit whose been suspended for hotboxing his car and wastes his offseasons working on his rap career.
Brandon Marshall has had numerous ugly incidents.
Tyreek Hill beat up his baby-mama while she was pregnant.
Dez Bryant has been arrested for DV.
Joe Mixon’s problems are well documented.
Jameis Winston has been accused of rape and caught stealing bleep crab legs.
Isaiah Crowell has a firearm arrest and thought it was a good idea to gram a picture of a cop being murdered.
Randy Moss smoked weed throughout his career before the rules were different, and ran down a traffic worker in his car.

The point is that there are plenty of guys who are shitheads. DGB’s problem is that he was a shithead who couldn’t play football.

[_yeti]

Randy Moss smoked weed throughout his career before the rules were different, and ran down a traffic worker in his car.

The point is that there are plenty of guys who are shitheads. DGB’s problem is that he was a shithead who couldn’t play football.

You bite your tongue, that man is a hero. She should have moved

He has three entirely different letters, "straight HOF, homie"

[dynastyninja]

Agreed, he has a pretty great college highlight tape

Every college player does. DGB was a project coming out of college and he was not that talented in terms of raw football skills. I saw catch radius mentioned and for a 6'5" guy his catch radius was poor. For context, 5'10" Brandin Cooks has a larger measurable catch radius. DGB wasn't as skilled as people say and he wasn't the athlete people say. He was big and could run fast in a straight line but his vertical and agility were very poor. If he had his head on straight and had a crazy work ethic maybe he could have got there. But we never actually saw this fictional player that people describe him as.

I think it's fair to say that DGB was a pretty talented prospect, though. He was just very raw and didn't have the necessary intangibles. His highlight reel was also impressive despite it being against college talent. He looked really good when you could only see his very best plays.

[Cameron Giles]

Agreed, he has a pretty great college highlight tape

Every college player does. DGB was a project coming out of college and he was not that talented in terms of raw football skills. I saw catch radius mentioned and for a 6'5" guy his catch radius was poor. For context, 5'10" Brandin Cooks has a larger measurable catch radius. DGB wasn't as skilled as people say and he wasn't the athlete people say. He was big and could run fast in a straight line but his vertical and agility were very poor. If he had his head on straight and had a crazy work ethic maybe he could have got there. But we never actually saw this fictional player that people describe him as.

Yeah, I wasn't impressed by DGB's college tape. He could catch 50/50's, but other than that he was really sloppy. He looked like a WR who was used to winning because he was bigger than everyone. He had zero technical ability to his game.

[_yeti]

Agreed, he has a pretty great college highlight tape

Every college player does. DGB was a project coming out of college and he was not that talented in terms of raw football skills. I saw catch radius mentioned and for a 6'5" guy his catch radius was poor. For context, 5'10" Brandin Cooks has a larger measurable catch radius. DGB wasn't as skilled as people say and he wasn't the athlete people say. He was big and could run fast in a straight line but his vertical and agility were very poor. If he had his head on straight and had a crazy work ethic maybe he could have got there. But we never actually saw this fictional player that people describe him as.

Yeah, I wasn't impressed by DGB's college tape. He could catch 50/50's, but other than that he was really sloppy. He looked like a WR who was used to winning because he was bigger than everyone. He had zero technical ability to his game.

Not to rehash this whole debate all over again, but he had criminal issues BEFORE that highlight tape and basically walked off the couch to dominating the deep ball in D1 if in a raw and untechnically polished way. The idea was/is that coming out of high school no one is polished by NFL WR standards, and obviously it is easier for the little shifty guys to nail route running. If he could get his head on straight, the idea is that there was a great amount of untapped potential as opposed to say a midround polished route runner whose ceiling is pretty clear by comparison. He was never a sure thing, always a lottery ticket.

Also, even a couple years ago we truly didn't realize or admit how little the deep ball now means or the jump ball height/ability that gets derided on this forum. Football is fundamentally different when tiny guys can go anywhere over the middle and make 15 yard gains with impunity. If you can throw those 50 times a game and not have your WR lose his head it makes field stretching less necessary and if tiny guys can run crossing routes in the end zone with impunity, then who needs a jump ball? John Lynch, Brian Dawkins, Robert Griffith, Sean Taylor, some of my favorite DBs, now DBs have to carefully let WRs catch the ball and guide them to the ground. Why throw a lower percentage jump ball, the only danger to mid-depth routes is now interceptions so the middle is open for business at all times.

Tall fast WRs broke out after the Moss era bc they could do something the smaller guys couldnt do and tall guys didnt used to be able to move like that prior to it. Now the league has legislated the utility of tall WRs way down.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Tall fast WRs broke out after the Moss era bc they could do something the smaller guys couldnt do and tall guys didnt used to be able to move like that prior to it. Now the league has legislated the utility of tall WRs way down.

Nah. Mike Martz and Kurt Warner tore up the league with smaller guys like Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce. Marvin Harrison, Tim Brown, Joey Galloway, Rod Smith, Terry Glenn, Hines Ward, Steve Smith, Santana Moss, Derrick Mason, Laverneus Coles, Reggie Wayne, Deion Branch, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings and Lee Evans, among others, all sliced up the league at 6' and shorter back when nobody felt weird during ESPN and NFL Films JACKED UP segments. WR height among drafted players actually bottomed out in the late 80s and early 90s, with an average height of 70.88" among WRs drafted in 1988.

It's a cyclical , copycat league. As an influx of big, talented WRs came into the league (Fitz, Andre, Calvin, Marshall, DT, AJG, Julio etc.) teams started prioritizing bigger CBs, like Sherman, Jimmy Smith, Patrick Peterson, Jalen Ramsey, etc. Defenses prioritize bigger, more physical corners, and now we're seeing shiftier WRs become more valuable. Eventually this will swing back in the opposite direction.

[_yeti]

Tall fast WRs broke out after the Moss era bc they could do something the smaller guys couldnt do and tall guys didnt used to be able to move like that prior to it. Now the league has legislated the utility of tall WRs way down.

Nah. Mike Martz and Kurt Warner tore up the league with smaller guys like Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce. Marvin Harrison, Tim Brown, Joey Galloway, Rod Smith, Terry Glenn, Hines Ward, Steve Smith, Santana Moss, Derrick Mason, Laverneus Coles, Reggie Wayne, Deion Branch, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings and Lee Evans, among others, all sliced up the league at 6' and shorter back when nobody felt weird during ESPN and NFL Films JACKED UP segments. WR height among drafted players actually bottomed out in the late 80s and early 90s, with an average height of 70.88" among WRs drafted in 1988.

It's a cyclical , copycat league. As an influx of big, talented WRs came into the league (Fitz, Andre, Calvin, Marshall, DT, AJG, Julio etc.) teams started prioritizing bigger CBs, like Sherman, Jimmy Smith, Patrick Peterson, Jalen Ramsey, etc. Defenses prioritize bigger, more physical corners, and now we're seeing shiftier WRs become more valuable. Eventually this will swing back in the opposite direction.

Those are GREAT WRs you named. Also, that was my point, the only good WRs before the Moss era were not tall. You are naming from the majority, not the minority. Even after the late 90s/early 2000s, they were rare and special. You totally miss my point. What made size/speed freaks special matters a lot less now.

Smaller, shiftier WRs are more valuable now bc of the size of corners and not rule changes? So wrong.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Lee Evans, Rod Smith and Deion Branch were great? Lol okay dude.

[OhCruelestRanter]

We're way out in the weeds here, but for those of you who are interested, here's a cool graphical representation of the heights of NFL players as they enter the league year by year.

http://www.aragorn.org/visualization/nf ... evolution/

You'll notice DBs correlate really closely with WRs, just lagging behind slightly.

There's also some cool other data in here- QBs, TEs, and lineman have been gradually and steadily getting taller. RBs have been getting shorter. WRs and DBs both dipped in the late 80s/early 90s and have been gradually getting taller. It's pretty interesting stuff.

[_yeti]

Disregarding the actual content of my statements you post a chart of *averages* across the entire position regardless that I am specifically talking about a specialized group of players

As usual, a joy to speak with you. Keep up the good work

[OhCruelestRanter]

Disregarding the actual content of my statements you post a chart of *averages* across the entire position regardless that I am specifically talking about a specialized group of players

As usual, a joy to speak with you. Keep up the good work

Every time you try to engage with me you seem like you must need to think about Bill Romanowski eye-gouging somebody in a pile in order to maintain an erection.