how to increase qb value in 1qb leagues

[playa_hata]

i am wondering what the best way to increase qb value in a league with out making it full blown 2qb or superflex. i dont like the aspect of 1qb leagues because the position that scores the most points in fantasy is less valuable than a tight end but i also dont like 2qb/superflex leagues bc there arent enough good qbs to really have a lot of options. wondering if anyone has any experience in finding a middle ground of the two such as doing a 6pt passing td league or something of that nature to boost the value of a qb in a 1qb league

[ArrylT]

10 team 2QB means only 20 starters instead of 24, so theoretically all 10 teams could have 3 starting QBs.

The only way to increase QB value in a 12 team league - imho - apart from recruiting owners who believe in having valuable QBs - is to increase QB points in a way that rewards top level QBs more.

Some leagues do that by adding a stronger negative on INTs like -3 or -4

As in the article below talks about - this is called the 6-4 (6 points for TD, -4 for Turnovers)

Otherwise I think you need to add things like Completion %, Avg Yards Per Completion, Passer Rating or such

Or expand to 14-16 teams - the more teams the more demand on QBs - but that runs into that problem you dont like in scarcity ...

Hope this article helps:

http://www.nfl.com/fantasyfootball/stor ... ootball-qb

[jaykay22]

i am wondering what the best way to increase qb value in a league with out making it full blown 2qb or superflex. i dont like the aspect of 1qb leagues because the position that scores the most points in fantasy is less valuable than a tight end but i also dont like 2qb/superflex leagues bc there arent enough good qbs to really have a lot of options. wondering if anyone has any experience in finding a middle ground of the two such as doing a 6pt passing td league or something of that nature to boost the value of a qb in a 1qb league

In my home league (full PPR) we have passing yard mark bonuses. +3 for breaking 300, +4 for 400, +5 for 500. I'm in another league that's also full PPR and fairly standard scoring otherwise where QB passing TD's are 5 points rather than 4.

Another thing you can do is you can make INT's only -1, rather than -2. That would help out even the QB's who tend to turn the ball over more often, boosting the value of the position as a whole.

[UnsafeAtAnySpd]

16 team format is the best imo. That said, I commish a startup from last year that is 18 teams in which things like completions, first downs, etc are counted to increase QB value. The QB position is 'superflex' though in that you don't have to start a QB (basically so the handful of teams without a second QB aren't forced to take a 0 on their QB bye week). Take a look at the scoring results from last year if you'd like: https://www58.myfantasyleague.com/2017/home/55624

[ArrylT]

The reason QBs have less value is because of the rise of streaming - and streaming is more successful when you reduce negatives such as INTs or QB Fumbles - not less successful - because that makes the difference from the best & worst at the position even less pronounced at a position where you only need to start 1.

In 12 team PPR the difference between #1 QB and #12 QB is a lot less than #1 RB and #24 RB, #1 WR & #36 WR. Its a little better than #1 TE and #12 TE but reliable starting TEs are more scarce (and a lot of leagues also have a TE Premium scoring).

That is the key behind the loss of value at QB - not how much they score in comparison to other positions - but how much they score in contrast to each other, and reducing negatives eases that already low contrast.

[ArrylT]

Also here is a link to the massive discussion held over the last year or so ...

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=115349

[Defender]

There was a thread about this a few years ago, but I can never find it. Basically it boils down to:
1. High scoring - I would say if the WR1/RB1 scored 400 pts in a season, the QB1 should be scoring 600+
2. Parity - It makes no sense for an owner to invest highly on a guy who only scores 5-10 pts more per game than a guy who is dirt cheap.
3. Big leagues - While the above will increase QB value, you won’t see teams treating QBs the way the NFL does unless you have a larger league. Supply and demand. I’d say 20+ teams, but 16 at the minimum.

[izekial]

Score their yardage the same as every other position instead of only getting 1 for every 25 yards like most places do

[clarion contrarion]

hasn't the NFL given modern qbs enough help without skewing fantasy to make them even more valuable ?

[Valhalla]

Also here is a link to the massive discussion held over the last year or so ...

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=115349

Boy did I ever go on some tirades in that thread...

I still stand by what I said back then, though. The top few QBs typically score (on a PPG basis) at a significantly higher level than even the 6-8 QB range. The drop-off is steep.

The argument people typically use is that you can draft what is typically about a 15th rated QB and he could easily be 7th-8th...giving you a "#1" QB. This is true, but it fails to recognize that you're still not typically approximating the scoring of the top few QBs, which (for Rodgers anyways) is as historically predictable as AB dominating the average #1 WR.

[kamihamster]

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I changed the scoring in my work redraft league to try and do this, and it was somewhat successful. I dont remember the exact numbers, but I had Points per completion, negative points per incompletion... i worked it out so that at 65% the net was zero, if they threw above they got positive points and below that, negative points. Then I really hurt QBs that threw INTs with -4 points and fumbles -2 and to counter that a little I made TDs worth 7. This made the pool of consistent high scoring QBs small. It also made streaming a bit more difficult.

[Goddard]

I wouldn't be in favor of this, but if you're trying to increase QB value, you can reduce the scoring for other positional players. So take away ppr, ppc, or any other additional scoring they get outside of yards and TDs (and maybe even reduce the points they get for that). Like I said, I wouldn't necessarily be a fan of that, but it would probably increase QB value. Or you can just bite the bullet and do what all leagues should do, and that's move to superflex or 2QB.

[playa_hata]

16 team format is the best imo. That said, I commish a startup from last year that is 18 teams in which things like completions, first downs, etc are counted to increase QB value. The QB position is 'superflex' though in that you don't have to start a QB (basically so the handful of teams without a second QB aren't forced to take a 0 on their QB bye week). Take a look at the scoring results from last year if you'd like: https://www58.myfantasyleague.com/2017/home/55624

chardee macdennis game of games lmao but do u guys only have an 8 man roster per team??

[Seventy5]

What about upping passing touchdowns to six (instead of 4) and 1 point for every 15-20 passing yards instead of 1 point for every 25 yards?

That way QB scoring overall increases in comparison to other positions, and the top end QBs begin to separate from the middling QBs who throw less TDs and pass for less yards making the elite QBs more valuable than before.

[jordanzs]

In the leagues that I run, I give .125 points per completion, and -.125 per incompletion.

So if you had 2 QBs that threw for 325 yards & 2 TDs, the 20 for 26 QB would outscore the 15 for 40 QB.

You could always bump those numbers to be more aggressive. .2 per completion, -.2 per incompletion.

Also, I think that leagues should remove the 1 point per 10 rushing yards for QBs, and just give 1 point per 20 yards, whether the QB passes or scrambles. Look at QB that suck in real life (Tyrod, Kaepernick, etc) but they're "great for fantasy" because of their cheap runs. Neutralize the ability to stream a mediocre QB like Tyrod/Kap and you'll squeeze out slightly more scarcity.