Evan Engram value?

[CK_]

I see 64rec 640yds as a rookie TE pre OBJ in a downright anemic offense. So yeah I am hopeful and can easily see an increase on someone that learned how to block and took his job very seriously his rookie year. That's rare.


If I can buy for 1.05 or later then it's a steal in my league. I also would base your rating in your own league. Value where Gronk, Kelce, and Ertz would be valued at.

[Jfever]

You could be right. He could be the next true TE1 in dynasty. If you are right, you are a head of the curve and hit big on a mid to late first last year. You went with your gut, were correct, and will be better off for drafting your guy. Well done. It is fun and rewarding to hit on later picks that you have a "feeling" on. This could be the case here. Or, it may be some smoke and mirrors or it more than likely is something in the middle. Typically, things are never quite as bad or as good as they seem. Most often than not, things trend back toward the mean. And this is kinda my point in this discussion. Something to think about - while trying to be as non biased as possible. For owners, I'm sure this is hard - But, if I'm understanding this correctly. He was "the" only real offensive play maker for a very large % of the 2017 season on a $%^&&*% offense. Not 100% sure on these numbers but - He had 115 targets and that turned into 64 rec, for a 10 ypr avg so 640 yds.... I just don't see him being quite as special as some here. My experience in this pastime tells me that he will likely disappear for long stretches. He'll be a boom, bust player in Shurmur's offense. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

[btv802]

For me it's less about how good or bad I think Engram is and just more about how I view and value the TE position in general. If I'm dropping a super early 1st on a TE I'd rather go after a more proven asset like Kelce to be honest.

[CK_]

Sorry for the confusion. I was just talking about the numbers he was averaging pre OBJ injury. It was 4/40. So he would've rounded out the year at 64/640. He ended the year with 64/722/6. I just see people bring up how will he do with OBJ back and all it does is help him and OBJ. If he was going for a 600+ yd rookie season as a TE then I have high hopes for the dude. Especially with his insane work ethic.

[Jfever]

For Engram's sake, and I guess for the sake of his very hopefully owners and fans, The Giants better do something about their O-line issues and running game. I like his skill set and he did have a real nice and very surprising rookie season. The stars had to align though. It wasn't JUST OBJ that was injured. It was a complete @#$% show of a running game. There was next to zero #2 wr consistency, and at times NO true #3 wr due to injury. I mean.... How am I the only one that sees what happened in NY last year that contributed to an inept offense leaning on one of their ONLY offensive mismatches. Engram lined up at TE around 70% of the time - in which case normal defenses would likely be happy to force HIM and ELI to beat them. How'd that work out for the Giants? Not too good if memory serves. Sure, for fantasy purposes it helped Engram that he was often covered by an outside backer, safety or #3 or 4 corner. How is this not understood? If they have a normal balanced offense (assuming that is what Shurmur's been brought in for) - Engram is less of a focal point, their offense is less predicable, pass distribution is spread out, OBJ gets his 150ish targets, the running game takes pressure off the pass rush, and - the Giants likely win a few more games. In real NFL football (not fantasy) Shurmur isn't going to want to have his offense run through Eli's passes to Engram. I see it as common sense. But, I have no horse in this race. Not a Giants fan in the least and I don't own Engram. I simply doubt very much that he is in the top 4-5 with targets again anytime soon.

Side note, if Engram is worth the 1.03 for some. What is Gronk worth? 2 early firsts? 3? Kelce, is he worth 3 early firsts then cuz he is younger than Gronk? I mean.... the 1.03 for a 2nd year TE coming from that situation is just a lot of wishful thinking. TE career length typically spans into their early to mid 30's before a noticeable decline ensues. I see that some are projecting a career arch that just builds and continues to improve. That could happen, sure. That is a bit glass half full though.

[ArrylT]

bump for review

[Mjvb5]

I think he's worth an early first still,I mean Guice, michel and Penny are hurt and rojo looks bad so far soooo his value had to move up relative to them. Given johnson and freeman looked good but I dont think id take one of them over him

[Snake]

I sold home before the draft for 1.06 and ended up with Michel. Looking back, I wish I’d kept Engram.

[Pullo Vision]

Engram has had a string of games recently as the team's leader in targets (or tied for it), and that ignores his 160 yard 2 TD game.

In a year where nearly all TEs have been disappointing, Engram's featured role have gotten people to say he's a top 6 dynasty TE.

Curious if he returns to Jacksonville as a 2023 FA.

[Shcritters]

Engram has had a string of games recently as the team's leader in targets (or tied for it), and that ignores his 160 yard 2 TD game.

In a year where nearly all TEs have been disappointing, Engram's featured role have gotten people to say he's a top 6 dynasty TE.

Curious if he returns to Jacksonville as a 2023 FA.

Completely agree. He’s a top 6 TE is he re-signs in JAX. For him it was a great one year contract that may turn into something else but for him.

[j4pac]

I honestly think it’s Lawrence. He’s making guys like Zay Jones look like a superstar. It’d definitely be in his interest to resign. If I’m the Jags, I’m still getting an in-line TE

[tstafford]

I honestly think it’s Lawrence. He’s making guys like Zay Jones look like a superstar. It’d definitely be in his interest to resign. If I’m the Jags, I’m still getting an in-line TE

Lawrence is a key part of it as is the design of the offense. Engram is destroying ETN's pass catching value.

Impossible to predict if JAX offers him a deal he likes. But as an owner, I hope he stays there. If he doesn't he returns right back to what he was before the start of this season - a TE you can own and pray he is start-worthy. That's the case for most TEs honestly. The position is the thorn in the side of most fantasy owners other than those with Kelce and Andrews.

[Mjvb5]

Top 6 still feels a bit Rich to me. But he's definitely recouped a lot of the value he's lost over the last couple years.

Andrews, Pitts, Kelce, hock, goedert pat F, and kittle I'd easily take over him. But if you put him at 8 or maybe over one of those guys at 7 I can't really argue it too hard. He's much more in that next tier of njoku, Schultz, waller, dulcich, maybe kmet types

[tstafford]

But if you put him at 8 or maybe over one of those guys at 7 I can't really argue it too hard. He's much more in that next tier of njoku, Schultz, waller, dulcich, maybe kmet types

If I understand what you're saying, I agree. IMO after a few guys (most of the ones you mention) it just becomes a mishmash of crap. I have no idea what Kmet or Irv Smith or Engram is really worth. All I know is that Engram is outproducing those guys so for right now he is nice to own. That could revert back to nearly nothing in a heartbeat if he isn't on JAX.

[willistylz1979]

As a Giants fan it’s definitely a gut punch that he’s playing so well now. I think with the new coaching staff and completely different offensive philosophy Engram would have been a godsend this year for us. Just curious how may drops does he have this year? This was the one thing that drove us Giants fans crazy!