Difference of opinion: how do you avoid groupthink bias?

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Re: Difference of opinion: how do you avoid groupthink bias?

Postby CK_ » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:11 pm

skip wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:54 am
clarion contrarion wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:13 pm In summation trust yourself more than anyone else !
This pretty much sums it up for me. My biggest mistakes in dynasty were when I went on the advice of others and against my own judgment. If I do have a question, I typically send it to a couple of people in whom I have great confidence rather than post globally. I would never use Facebook or Twitter but that is really more based on my general opinion of both sources.

X2 on both accounts for me as well.

My only difference is I like using Twitter for the actual groupthink when making trades. A lot of the people in my league are very tight knit and introverted to a degree so to pry them into a trade I have to give them a little push with where the overall value of a player is sitting.
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QB: Luck, Mayfield
RB: Elliot, Mixon, Guice, Ekeler
WR: Diggs, C. Davis, Gordon, Lockett, M. Williams, Godwin, John Brown, Tre'Quan Smith
TE: Gronk, Burton, Goedert
K: Gostkowski
D/ST: Jax, Chiefs

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Re: Difference of opinion: how do you avoid groupthink bias?

Postby oban14 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:23 pm

murphysxm wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:03 am
oban14 wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:10 pm
An NFL team sitting at pick 1.1 could potentially trade back to pick 1.32 and acquire 5-6 future first round picks and several picks in later rounds. Do it again the next year, and the next, and then all of a sudden you're the GM of a team with 3-4 first round picks every year for the next five years. Meanwhile, yes those 1.1 picks could have been Andrew Luck, or JaMarcus Russell, or anyone in between. It would be hard to NOT win a super bowl and NOT crush every draft with that many picks.
Two things here:
A. This is not the scenario you started with. Trading picks and that uncertainty is different than trading a bona fide stud. Not saying trading an an aging stud before his decline isn't a solid strategy, but I think the amount of times you get the timing right is 50/50, so why take the chance. For every Shaun Alexander example there is a Tom Brady or Larry Fitzgerald example.

B. The Cleveland Browns just did this scenario and their GM got fired and they have missed out on drafting a franchise QB in Wentz, so there is that.
Yes, just saying that it's another way of building for the future. I think that Cleveland GM handled the drafts very well even though they missed on Wentz, he could have been a bust like every other first round QB they've taken. And the new GM will have a ton of picks to play with. If I were a GM of an NFL team with pick 1.1, I'd probably find the top 8-12 guys I like and trade down to pick 8 or 12, wherever the last one will be.

I always try to trade players a year too early. 29 years old for WRs, 28 for RBs. My broader point is that no one is untouchable. I will gladly trade you Antonio Brown, or Gurley, or Zeke, or anyone else for the right price. I think this is a great time to trade Antonio Brown, but of course it depends on what you're getting back.

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Re: Difference of opinion: how do you avoid groupthink bias?

Postby jman3134 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:32 pm

Strongly disagree on AB. If LeVeon leaves they only throw more. And Ben isn't retiring.
12 team, 35 man rosters, 1/2 PPR, 10 round rookie/FA draft
Qb: Geno Smith, Matthew Stafford, Trey Lance
Rb: Jonathan Taylor, Joe Mixon, Austin Ekeler, Saquon Barkley, Cam Akers, Isiah Pacheco, Jeff Wilson, Chase Edmonds, Pierre Strong, Jordan Mason, Jaleel McLaughlin
Wr: DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Evans, Diontae Johnson, Darnell Mooney, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Jakobi Meyers, Laviska Shenault, Donovan Peoples-Jones, Denzel Mims, Richie James, Michael Wilson, Demario Douglas, Trent Sherfield
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Re: Difference of opinion: how do you avoid groupthink bias?

Postby heyfeefellskee » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:30 am

jman3134 wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:32 pm Strongly disagree on AB. If LeVeon leaves they only throw more. And Ben isn't retiring.
I'm not even sure they "throw more" if Le'Veon leaves.

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Re: Difference of opinion: how do you avoid groupthink bias?

Postby oban14 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:14 am

AB will turn 30 in July. I'm not saying he isn't great, I'm not saying he won't have a great year next year. I'm just saying if you want to get the most value you can get for him, this would be a great time to trade him.

I personally think he takes a step back next year and falls off a cliff within the following 2 years. If my premise is right, think of him as a solid WR1 for one year that becomes worthless in 3.

And by all means, I've been wrong before, if he's still an all-pro at 32 please call me out.


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