Duke Johnson's worth now

[ninotoreS]

So Todd Haley is Duke's new OC. Might be a boost for Duke considering his skill-set and how prolifically Haley used Bell as a pass-catcher. Or that might not mean anything, because Haley didn't call targets for Edge and Charles in Arizona and KC respectively the way he did Bell in Pitt.

[lukkynumber13]

All this talk of Duke being a buy low for a mid 2nd seems not based in reality to me. Do an experiment and go ask the Duke Johnson owner in your league what they'd need to trade him. My guess is it's a late 1st at a minimum.

Thank you!

About time someone said this.

[Bot101]

All this talk of Duke being a buy low for a mid 2nd seems not based in reality to me. Do an experiment and go ask the Duke Johnson owner in your league what they'd need to trade him. My guess is it's a late 1st at a minimum.

Thank you!

About time someone said this.

Yeah. He aint for sale in my league.

[gabes1919]

All this talk of Duke being a buy low for a mid 2nd seems not based in reality to me. Do an experiment and go ask the Duke Johnson owner in your league what they'd need to trade him. My guess is it's a late 1st at a minimum.

Thank you!

About time someone said this.

Yeah. He aint for sale in my league.

I own him in my league and yeah, I wouldn't sell for less than a 1st right now. And I would only do that because I'm trying to mitigate the risk of him getting shafted his last season here in Cleveland. But if they leave the draft without an RB in the first 2 or 3 rounds, I would have serious remorse over selling Duke for a 1st.

I like the Haley signing for Duke, he could do a Lev Bell impression if they give him a shot.

[stoneghost28]

He's an FA in '19 and I don't see him wanting to return in '19 if he doesn't have a shot at the RB job. I'm not selling. He's a buy to me if people are selling him on the cheap.

[Shoreline Steamers]

buy buy buy if people are valuing him as a mid second... Consistently one of the most efficient and elusive players in the league every single year. Cleveland shouldn't draft Barkley, and even if they do, Duke is a free agent in a year.

Pretty much nailed the gist of the article that appeared on the homepage this afternoon, so this thread is timely. And he'll just turn 25 before the start of next season. He's acclimated himself to the league, is entering his prime, and his arrow is pointing up. If someone is down on him for some reason and you can buy for a 2nd? You should probably take advantage.

[fakespike13]

How'd it turn out the last time the Browns took "the best RB since Adrian Peterson" with their top 5 draft pick? Browns need to hit on two core players with their top picks and wait to draft RB at the top of the third. Joe Thomas may not return so I think they should go QB/LT.

Duke has immense talent and should thrive regardless. If the do take Bark I'm still confident there will be enough touches to keep him flex worthy in 2018 before hitting free agency as a 25 year old next spring. And yeah it would take a mid first to pry him off me, he's just way too valuable to my team as a ++ bye week guy or injury replacement. RBs get hurt, and Duke helped me win the ship when I lost Cook, Thompson and had Fournette's missed games. There's a RB-starved win-now team in my league with the 8th pick (via trade) and I'm not even sure I'd trade him Duke for that pick, when combined with the reality of how much it would improve his team and potentially hurt me down the line in a matchup. I'd rather he tests his chance by taking the 8th best RB in the draft (everyone will draft RB before him, 16 team league, everyone needs RBs).

[lukkynumber13]

How'd it turn out the last time the Browns took "the best RB since Adrian Peterson" with their top 5 draft pick? Browns need to hit on two core players with their top picks and wait to draft RB at the top of the third. Joe Thomas may not return so I think they should go QB/LT.

There is NO tackle worth taking in the first 10-15 picks. If the Browns took an OT over Saquon that would be absolute foolishness

[hjernazian]

All this talk of Duke being a buy low for a mid 2nd seems not based in reality to me. Do an experiment and go ask the Duke Johnson owner in your league what they'd need to trade him. My guess is it's a late 1st at a minimum.

Thank you!

About time someone said this.

Don't need an experiment. Saw him go for M. Bryant straight-up in my league. Which begs a WHOLE other argument (for Bryant).

[hjernazian]

How'd it turn out the last time the Browns took "the best RB since Adrian Peterson" with their top 5 draft pick? Browns need to hit on two core players with their top picks and wait to draft RB at the top of the third. Joe Thomas may not return so I think they should go QB/LT.

There is NO tackle worth taking in the first 10-15 picks. If the Browns took an OT over Saquon that would be absolute foolishness

and that would surprise you in a franchise that has made historically terrible picks?

Just sayin'...

[lukkynumber13]

How'd it turn out the last time the Browns took "the best RB since Adrian Peterson" with their top 5 draft pick? Browns need to hit on two core players with their top picks and wait to draft RB at the top of the third. Joe Thomas may not return so I think they should go QB/LT.

There is NO tackle worth taking in the first 10-15 picks. If the Browns took an OT over Saquon that would be absolute foolishness

and that would surprise you in a franchise that has made historically terrible picks?

Just sayin'...

Hahaha, touché...

But the comment I responded to was not that the Browns WOULD take a tackle in the top 4, but rather that they SHOULD.

That's what I'm arguing against, the comment that it would be a good idea for them to take an OT in the top 4.

[kris_kapsner]

The Browns have many needs, as you'd expect in a team that's won 1 single game over the past two seasons combined.

They have a lot of early draft picks this year and a lot of cap space to work with. So, there is a solid chance they can right the ship in short order. Whether or not that happens is yet to be seen.

When drafting players it's ALWAYS a good idea to draft the best player available. Typically teams will break players into tiers where multiple players are given a similar "grade" and then they draft the best player from their top tier still available on the board, while always keeping their team needs in mind for tie breakers.

Poor teams will reach for players and draft for team needs instead of drafting the best players available, or at least players from their top tier still on the board. Good/Great teams will draft high impact player positions early that are the best players available.

The likelihood that Barkley goes to a team with 2 of the top 4 picks in the draft is very high. He's a top prospect in this draft and he plays a position that not only can impact the scoring of the team that takes him, but will sell a lot of merchandise.

Because of that, the Duke owners have to be holding their breath right now. He's a "buy low" if you want to roll the dice and hope things fall your way. But, the Browns have 2 early 1st's where they may draft Barkley, 3 2nd round picks and the first pick in the 3rd. That's 6 picks where a RB could be drafted who will drastically reduce Duke's value.

If I'm a Duke owner I'm very nervous. But at the same time it's hard to sell him for less than a late 1st or very early 2nd round pick in 12 team leagues.

[gausec]

The Browns have many needs, as you'd expect in a team that's won 1 single game over the past two seasons combined.

They have a lot of early draft picks this year and a lot of cap space to work with. So, there is a solid chance they can right the ship in short order. Whether or not that happens is yet to be seen.

When drafting players it's ALWAYS a good idea to draft the best player available. Typically teams will break players into tiers where multiple players are given a similar "grade" and then they draft the best player from their top tier still available on the board, while always keeping their team needs in mind for tie breakers.

Poor teams will reach for players and draft for team needs instead of drafting the best players available, or at least players from their top tier still on the board. Good/Great teams will draft high impact player positions early that are the best players available.

The likelihood that Barkley goes to a team with 2 of the top 4 picks in the draft is very high. He's a top prospect in this draft and he plays a position that not only can impact the scoring of the team that takes him, but will sell a lot of merchandise.

Because of that, the Duke owners have to be holding their breath right now. He's a "buy low" if you want to roll the dice and hope things fall your way. But, the Browns have 2 early 1st's where they may draft Barkley, 3 2nd round picks and the first pick in the 3rd. That's 6 picks where a RB could be drafted who will drastically reduce Duke's value.

If I'm a Duke owner I'm very nervous. But at the same time it's hard to sell him for less than a late 1st or very early 2nd round pick in 12 team leagues.

Exactly, well thought out and reasoned.

[Benny5]

I just traded Chris Thompson for Duke and a 4th rounder... that contract, means if Barkley or other backs come to Cleveland... Duke could go somewhere and be something. I felt Thompson and Duke were about equal with their talent and potential... the 47th pick in this rookie draft could help me secure TE for my taxi squad... or let me take a shot at best available in what might have very different guys available depending on my league's owners valuations (First time dynasty owners... could be significant reaches early or lack of studying)

[gausec]

I just traded Chris Thompson for Duke and a 4th rounder... that contract, means if Barkley or other backs come to Cleveland... Duke could go somewhere and be something. I felt Thompson and Duke were about equal with their talent and potential... the 47th pick in this rookie draft could help me secure TE for my taxi squad... or let me take a shot at best available in what might have very different guys available depending on my league's owners valuations (First time dynasty owners... could be significant reaches early or lack of studying)

I love that trade for you, I agree in the talent being very similar and why not get a dart throw too.