Duke Johnson's worth now

[bsp27]

buy buy buy. Consistently one of the most efficient players in the league every single year. Cleveland shouldn't draft Barkley, and even if they do, Duke is a free agent in a year.

[bsp27]

buy buy buy if people are valuing him as a mid second... Consistently one of the most efficient players in the league every single year. Cleveland shouldn't draft Barkley, and even if they do, Duke is a free agent in a year.

[bsp27]

buy buy buy if people are valuing him as a mid second... Consistently one of the most efficient and elusive players in the league every single year. Cleveland shouldn't draft Barkley, and even if they do, Duke is a free agent in a year.

[clarion contrarion]

just moved him for funchess straight up

[Chandler Bing]

just moved him for funchess straight up

That's a great deal even if Barkley goes somewhere else

[jetsfan5757]

just moved him for funchess straight up

That's a great deal even if Barkley goes somewhere else

Ageeed. I like that move.

[btv802]

buy buy buy. Consistently one of the most efficient players in the league every single year. Cleveland shouldn't draft Barkley, and even if they do, Duke is a free agent in a year.

I think people are missing the point. Nobody in their right mind is going to sell Duke for a late 2nd after what he did this year. Keep in mind that I'm suggesting he's a player to sell, but that's kind of a crap lowball offer if you ask me. The point is he just put up what may be his career year and if you look at January ADP he went off the board as RB21 which made him a 5th round startup pick (this time last year I took him in my startup in the 12th round, that was when he was actually a buy). If you compare Duke's January ADP to the average historical ADP of rookie picks it puts his value around the area of a mid-late 1st. If you think that price makes him a "buy buy buy!" I'll sell him for that price every time right now.

just moved him for funchess straight up

Selling Duke for Funchess seems like a great move. Personally if I was going to try and buy Duke with a rookie pick right now I'd be looking to pay no more than the early-mid 2nd range, but I wouldn't expect that offer to be accepted.

[Goodfellas]

12/17 games with 10+ ppr this season. Easily a RB2 or great flex. I am holding Duke, no question. If CLE drafts Barkley, I will still hold looking ahead to 2019, unless of course an owner comes knocking with a legit offer (1st round pick or younger WR with upside)....

[pvillebiker]

Ok, I'll take the other side. What if Crow is out in Cleveland as seems to be the case? And even if he's not, he's not exactly run away with the job. Not suggesting Duke becomes the Browns bell cow, but he doesn't have to. And he did just finish as a low-end PPR RB1 (11th in my league) this year. Playing all 16 games scoring at least 10.7 PPR points in 12 of 'em. That's not boom or bust. That's pretty legit. 1,041 yards, 7 TD's, 74 catches. Will take that all day for his cost.

[hjernazian]

Upon some analysis on a deal that went down in my league where D. Johnson was traded 1:1 for M. Bryant.

John Dorsey taking over does not bode well for Duke. He is more of a power concept scheme GM and Duke does not necessarily fit into his scheme. He values more of a one cut runner, 3 down back, as has been evident in his tenure. Duke is also restricted and a cap casualty, there are only 2 spots where I can see him as valuable, one of which being Baltimore. The Browns are going to clear house at the RB position imo, and adopt a completely different identity/trajectory in the running game. They will clear house. For Duke's sake, I hope he gets released.

I like Duke a lot, and these are only projections based on my knowledge, but I would not anticipate him putting up similar numbers on the Browns (floor) next year. So I would SELL SELL SELL but for high value (early 2nd or better).

[ninotoreS]

What Duke's done in Cleveland needs to be considered objectively. In three seasons, he's caught 188 passes and averaged 4.2 YPC on a terrible offense. It's a fact confirmed that he's one of the very best pass-catching RBs in football, and we know he's capable of feature-back work from his collegiate career. You put Duke's talent and skill-set on more than half the other offenses in the league, and the potential for fantasy elite production is high.

Johnson's a 24-year-old RB2 in half-ppr with distinct RB1 upside a.) if Cleveland doesn't take an RB on Day 1 in '18 b.) in '19, when he's a free-agent. This isn't a 'late-2nd' value player. That's just dumb. No 24-year-old RB2 tier fantasy producer is worth only that. And especially not one that presently has a chance to be an RB1 tier producer next year.

Of course Cleveland has a lot of premium picks in this upcoming draft, but RB nonetheless shouldn't be a priority for the second 0-16 team in NFL history. Literally every other position group on offense and half of the groups on defense represent greater need than RB for Cleveland right now. So it's no given that Cleveland takes a superstud prospect at RB on Day 1. They should draft an RB to shore up the depth-chart, but it would be smarter to wait for Day 2 or 3 considering all their other need.

I agree this is a logical sell window for Duke. But as a player that already has useful fantasy startability plus the plausible potential to become a legit blue-chip in '18 or '19, he's worth something serious. Mid-late 2nds are just higher percentage lottery tickets. Duke Johnson represents more value than that, both to win-now and rebuilding rosters.

[joshnco]

I think Barkley ends up in Indianapolis at 3rd overall so Duke Johnson probably keeps the same role as this past season.

It's hard to see Barkley getting past the Giants at 2nd. With the new GM there is rumblings they think Eli has several years left. I'm not sure I feel that way however it's absolutely possible Cleveland would need to take Barkley at #1 to land him.

With that said, Duke is a 'buy low' for me. Over 1000 total yards - 4.2 YPC - 74 catches - 6 total TD's. Not to mention he passes the eye test for me. Crowell is hot garbage. Michel is the ONLY RB besides Barkley going to Cleveland that would threaten his workload in 2018. If they get someone like Alex Smith (Very possible) this team will look completely different in 2018. I'll take Duke in a lead back role. The Browns know he is one of there top play makers.

[joshnco]

What Duke's done in Cleveland needs to be considered objectively. In three seasons, he's caught 188 passes and averaged 4.2 YPC on a terrible offense. It's a fact confirmed that he's one of the very best pass-catching RBs in football, and we know he's capable of feature-back work from his collegiate career. You put Duke's talent and skill-set on more than half the other offenses in the league, and the potential for fantasy elite production is high.

Johnson's a 24-year-old RB2 in half-ppr with distinct RB1 upside a.) if Cleveland doesn't take an RB on Day 1 in '18 b.) in '19, when he's a free-agent. This isn't a 'late-2nd' value player. That's just dumb. No 24-year-old RB2 tier fantasy producer is worth only that. And especially not one that presently has a chance to be an RB1 tier producer next year.

Of course Cleveland has a lot of premium picks in this upcoming draft, but RB nonetheless shouldn't be a priority for the second 0-16 team in NFL history. Literally every other position group on offense and half of the groups on defense represent greater need than RB for Cleveland right now. So it's no given that Cleveland takes a superstud prospect at RB on Day 1. They should draft an RB to shore up the depth-chart, but it would be smarter to wait for Day 2 or 3 considering all their other need.

I agree this is a logical sell window for Duke. But as a player that already has useful fantasy startability plus the plausible potential to become a legit blue-chip in '18 or '19, he's worth something serious. Mid-late 2nds are just higher percentage lottery tickets. Duke Johnson represents more value than that, both to win-now and rebuilding rosters.

Beautifully written.

[Shoreline Steamers]

Upon some analysis on a deal that went down in my league where D. Johnson was traded 1:1 for M. Bryant.

John Dorsey taking over does not bode well for Duke. He is more of a power concept scheme GM and Duke does not necessarily fit into his scheme. He values more of a one cut runner, 3 down back, as has been evident in his tenure. Duke is also restricted and a cap casualty, there are only 2 spots where I can see him as valuable, one of which being Baltimore. The Browns are going to clear house at the RB position imo, and adopt a completely different identity/trajectory in the running game. They will clear house. For Duke's sake, I hope he gets released.

I like Duke a lot, and these are only projections based on my knowledge, but I would not anticipate him putting up similar numbers on the Browns (floor) next year. So I would SELL SELL SELL but for high value (early 2nd or better).

Duke is on the final year of his very reasonable rookie deal. I don't see how that makes him a cut candidate (though I'd be fine if he was released for some reason). I also have a hard time believing that there are only two of thirty-two NFL teams where Duke could return value. That seems a little short sighted to me.

[btv802]

All this talk of Duke being a buy low for a mid 2nd seems not based in reality to me. Do an experiment and go ask the Duke Johnson owner in your league what they'd need to trade him. My guess is it's a late 1st at a minimum.