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Re: Kamara Value
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TE - Travis Kelce EX 5YRS at $52, Austin Hooper 2YRS at $12
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TE - Travis Kelce EX 5YRS at $52, Austin Hooper 2YRS at $12
D/ST - Rams 1YR at $2, Chiefs 1YR at $3
K - Stephen Gostowski 1YR at $3
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Re: Kamara Value
I can't see kamara holding the same value as zeke. I would need a top 5 pick in addition to kamara to dish zeke
Re: Kamara Value
No way i give Zeke for Kamara... I'd need something pretty nice coming with Kamara to get the deal done. I just don't think Kamara can sustain such astronomical efficiency, like Tevin Coleman last year, I just don't believe Kamara can repeat unless he gets more volume, but he isn't built for high volume like a traditional RB1
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RB A-train, D'Onta Foreman,Jahmyr Gibbs, JK Dobbins, Rashaad Penny, AJ Dillon, Jerrick McKinnon, Joshua Kelley, TDP, Chase Edmonds, JRob, Zamir White
WR CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, DJ Moore, Hollywood Brown, Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Junior, Marvin Jones, Braxton Berrios, Richie James
TE Dalton Kincaid, Foster Moreau
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WR CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, DJ Moore, Hollywood Brown, Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Junior, Marvin Jones, Braxton Berrios, Richie James
TE Dalton Kincaid, Foster Moreau
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Re: Kamara Value
Amazing season, but I agree. I doubt he can maintain that efficiency too. And if he starts getting more work, again, efficiency will drop. Be may be at peak value right now.nathanq42 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:40 pm No way i give Zeke for Kamara... I'd need something pretty nice coming with Kamara to get the deal done. I just don't think Kamara can sustain such astronomical efficiency, like Tevin Coleman last year, I just don't believe Kamara can repeat unless he gets more volume, but he isn't built for high volume like a traditional RB1
I think Elliott is built for more work and will get it.
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Re: Kamara Value
If you can get Zeke for that do it, but it’s not likely to be accepted. While Kamara was amazing this year, Zeke did nothing to lower his value. He proved he is a legit top 4 RB and I believe the younger of the 4 (Bell, Gurley, DJ) so his value still remains as high as ever.
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Re: Kamara Value
What is this even based on? Kamara is 5'10" and 214 lbs which is heavier than Melvin Gordon and Kareem Hunt, and almost identical to Ingram. He has a higher BMI than Bell, DJ, Gurley, ADP, etc.
Re: Kamara Value
I take it back, I don't know why but I had him at 200 in my head. Shrinks the gap but I still stand by taking Zeke over Kamara by a decent marginhankmurphy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:53 pmWhat is this even based on? Kamara is 5'10" and 214 lbs which is heavier than Melvin Gordon and Kareem Hunt, and almost identical to Ingram. He has a higher BMI than Bell, DJ, Gurley, ADP, etc.
12 Team 1 ppr .1 points per carry
Garbage
QB Jalen Hurts
RB A-train, D'Onta Foreman,Jahmyr Gibbs, JK Dobbins, Rashaad Penny, AJ Dillon, Jerrick McKinnon, Joshua Kelley, TDP, Chase Edmonds, JRob, Zamir White
WR CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, DJ Moore, Hollywood Brown, Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Junior, Marvin Jones, Braxton Berrios, Richie James
TE Dalton Kincaid, Foster Moreau
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WR CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, DJ Moore, Hollywood Brown, Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Junior, Marvin Jones, Braxton Berrios, Richie James
TE Dalton Kincaid, Foster Moreau
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Re: Kamara Value
Never let facts get in the way of a good story I always sayhankmurphy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:53 pmWhat is this even based on? Kamara is 5'10" and 214 lbs which is heavier than Melvin Gordon and Kareem Hunt, and almost identical to Ingram. He has a higher BMI than Bell, DJ, Gurley, ADP, etc.
Re: Kamara Value
Man, was I wrong about Kamara.
He's basically Carmichael's new Darren Sproles, except he's better than Sproles, and will get more carries than he got. As of now, I see no reason to think Kamara won't be the second-most targeted player in the Saints passing-offense for the foreseeable future.
He's basically Carmichael's new Darren Sproles, except he's better than Sproles, and will get more carries than he got. As of now, I see no reason to think Kamara won't be the second-most targeted player in the Saints passing-offense for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Kamara Value
No where near the same as Zeke. Usually a joker back or pass catching back have a much better efficiency than their running counter part. I love Kamara but would love to see what he does in a starting role as well as a role with Brees. Count me as a seller if I can get this price
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Re: Kamara Value
if you can get him to bite for that then yes, definitely grab Zeeke. But I just don't see it. Zeeke is a young true 3 down back that is the centerpiece of the offense. Kamara only matches/beats Zeeke in youth, coming off just 1 (granted stellar) year. If I were a Zeeke owner, I'd want Kamara plus a top 2-3 pick, and even then think I'd still rather have Zeeke (and btw - I personally loathe Zeeke, personally).
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Re: Kamara Value
Physical stats don't tell the whole story. Kamara is an all around back, but not the bruiser that Elliott is. It's play style.hankmurphy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:53 pmWhat is this even based on? Kamara is 5'10" and 214 lbs which is heavier than Melvin Gordon and Kareem Hunt, and almost identical to Ingram. He has a higher BMI than Bell, DJ, Gurley, ADP, etc.
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Re: Kamara Value
I'll preface this by saying that I missed big on Kamara last year. I thought that he would be a system-dependent committee back, worthy of a late 1st - early 2nd. He's been one of my favorite players to watch this year, though. His balance is elite, and when you combine that with his other attributes, he's going to remain a very valuable player. But I fear he's just going to be one of those players I'll never own. His price-point worries me (he's going in the 1st rd in some start-ups). I don't think his value is close to Zeke's right now, as I think there is still some unpredictability as to how exactly he'll be deployed in the future, especially when his efficiency numbers dip. Definitely could be wrong on him though, as I have been before.
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Re: Kamara Value
Something to consider: Another DV strike and Zeke is banned for life.
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