2018 Rookie WRs Thread

[maxhyde]

FWIW, Lance Zierlein has Calvin Ridley as his top graded WR prospect since Sammy Watkins & Amari Cooper on nfl.com

Sooo...you're saying we should ruuuuuuuunnnnn?!

Yes because those 2 WR's are horrible

[James McGhee]

FWIW, Lance Zierlein has Calvin Ridley as his top graded WR prospect since Sammy Watkins & Amari Cooper on nfl.com

Sooo...you're saying we should ruuuuuuuunnnnn?!

Yes because those 2 WR's are horrible

I wouldn't say horrible but their production has yet to meet the potential.

[Chwf3rd]

My WR ranks right now:

1. CRidley (1st)
2. CSutton (2nd)
3. AMiller (2nd)
4. CKirk (2nd)
5. ACalloway (2/3)
6. DJMoore (3rd)
7. JWashington (3rd)
8. CWilson (3/4)
9. MGallup (3/4)
10. DPettis (3/4)
11. ESBrown (4)
12. ATate (4)
13. SCobbs (4)
14. JScott (4)
15. DCain (4)
16. DHamilton (Day 3)
17. JLasley (Day 3)
18. KCoutee (Day 3)
19. DJChark (Day 3)

[lukkynumber13]

My WR ranks right now:

1. CRidley (1st)
2. CSutton (2nd)
3. AMiller (2nd)
4. CKirk (2nd)
5. ACalloway (2/3)
6. DJMoore (3rd)
7. JWashington (3rd)
8. CWilson (3/4)
9. MGallup (3/4)
10. DPettis (3/4)
11. ESBrown (4)
12. ATate (4)
13. SCobbs (4)
14. JScott (4)
15. DCain (4)
16. DHamilton (Day 3)
17. JLasley (Day 3)
18. KCoutee (Day 3)
19. DJChark (Day 3)

Thanks for sharing!

Curious why no Ateman?

[Chwf3rd]

My WR ranks right now:

1. CRidley (1st)
2. CSutton (2nd)
3. AMiller (2nd)
4. CKirk (2nd)
5. ACalloway (2/3)
6. DJMoore (3rd)
7. JWashington (3rd)
8. CWilson (3/4)
9. MGallup (3/4)
10. DPettis (3/4)
11. ESBrown (4)
12. ATate (4)
13. SCobbs (4)
14. JScott (4)
15. DCain (4)
16. DHamilton (Day 3)
17. JLasley (Day 3)
18. KCoutee (Day 3)
19. DJChark (Day 3)

Thanks for sharing!

Curious why no Ateman?

Guys I still need to watch are Ateman, Lazard, Korey Robertson, Deontay Burnett, Justin Watson, Darren Carrington, TreQuan Smith, and Jester Weah. I'll probably wait for the combine to watch those guys as I've already watched 19 WRs. Honestly not that excited to watch Ateman, he just seems like another big jump ball guy which this class already has an abundance of.

[lukkynumber13]

My WR ranks right now:

1. CRidley (1st)
2. CSutton (2nd)
3. AMiller (2nd)
4. CKirk (2nd)
5. ACalloway (2/3)
6. DJMoore (3rd)
7. JWashington (3rd)
8. CWilson (3/4)
9. MGallup (3/4)
10. DPettis (3/4)
11. ESBrown (4)
12. ATate (4)
13. SCobbs (4)
14. JScott (4)
15. DCain (4)
16. DHamilton (Day 3)
17. JLasley (Day 3)
18. KCoutee (Day 3)
19. DJChark (Day 3)

Thanks for sharing!

Curious why no Ateman?

Guys I still need to watch are Ateman, Lazard, Korey Robertson, Deontay Burnett, Justin Watson, Darren Carrington, TreQuan Smith, and Jester Weah. I'll probably wait for the combine to watch those guys as I've already watched 19 WRs. Honestly not that excited to watch Ateman, he just seems like another big jump ball guy which this class already has an abundance of.

Honestly I totally feel you and mostly agree, there's a lot of size but not sure how much wiggle and speed to go with it for tons of these guys.

Ateman definitely excites me more than Tate & Lazard tho.

[James McGhee]

My WR ranks right now:

1. CRidley (1st)
2. CSutton (2nd)
3. AMiller (2nd)
4. CKirk (2nd)
5. ACalloway (2/3)
6. DJMoore (3rd)
7. JWashington (3rd)
8. CWilson (3/4)
9. MGallup (3/4)
10. DPettis (3/4)
11. ESBrown (4)
12. ATate (4)
13. SCobbs (4)
14. JScott (4)
15. DCain (4)
16. DHamilton (Day 3)
17. JLasley (Day 3)
18. KCoutee (Day 3)
19. DJChark (Day 3)

Thanks for sharing!

Curious why no Ateman?

Guys I still need to watch are Ateman, Lazard, Korey Robertson, Deontay Burnett, Justin Watson, Darren Carrington, TreQuan Smith, and Jester Weah. I'll probably wait for the combine to watch those guys as I've already watched 19 WRs. Honestly not that excited to watch Ateman, he just seems like another big jump ball guy which this class already has an abundance of.

Rankings based on just film or are you factoring in college production, etc? Just curious

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Ateman>Washington

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Ateman<<<Washington

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[Chwf3rd]

Thanks for sharing!

Curious why no Ateman?

Guys I still need to watch are Ateman, Lazard, Korey Robertson, Deontay Burnett, Justin Watson, Darren Carrington, TreQuan Smith, and Jester Weah. I'll probably wait for the combine to watch those guys as I've already watched 19 WRs. Honestly not that excited to watch Ateman, he just seems like another big jump ball guy which this class already has an abundance of.

Rankings based on just film or are you factoring in college production, etc? Just curious

Both but mostly film and I'm aware of the college dominator + breakout ages as well.

What players are you specifically thinking about? Most of the guys on there had productive years and the other have reasonable excuses:

Ridley - hard to blame him for his stats playing w/ Hurts.

Kirk - had to play with backup QBs essentially the entire year.

Callaway - various off the field incidents kept him off the field.

Then the rest I have valued as late Day 2/early Day 3 players.

[maxhyde]

Sooo...you're saying we should ruuuuuuuunnnnn?!

Yes because those 2 WR's are horrible

I wouldn't say horrible but their production has yet to meet the potential.

in 46 games Cooper has 203 receptions(357 tgt) 2903 yards and 18 TD's so only avg's 68/967/6 in his first 3 years. Some of this year you have to lay at the feet of Carr because Crabs didn't light things up either.

Watkins Career he has 52 games 192 recs(346 tgt) 3052yrd and 25TD's but obviously injuries have hurt him some and BUF/Rex probably hurt him some. Can hardly expect a guy to put up WR1 #'s on 70 targets over 15 games.

Anyway production is never going to match potential when you are comparing to guys getting 30-80 more targets a season. WR production is mostly directly proportional to targets with some hyper efficient outliers and volume outliers.

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Yes because those 2 WR's are horrible

I wouldn't say horrible but their production has yet to meet the potential.

in 46 games Cooper has 203 receptions(357 tgt) 2903 yards and 18 TD's so only avg's 68/967/6 in his first 3 years. Some of this year you have to lay at the feet of Carr because Crabs didn't light things up either.

Watkins Career he has 52 games 192 recs(346 tgt) 3052yrd and 25TD's but obviously injuries have hurt him some and BUF/Rex probably hurt him some. Can hardly expect a guy to put up WR1 #'s on 70 targets over 15 games.

Anyway production is never going to match potential when you are comparing to guys getting 30-80 more targets a season. WR production is mostly directly proportional to targets with some hyper efficient outliers and volume outliers.

Not to mention that Cooper is still only like 6 months older than Calvin Ridley. He's by no means a finished product.

[clarion contrarion]

dismissing calloway's mediocre production on off the field issues is like dismissing venus de milo's juggling deficiency on having no balls !
technically true but that is burying the lead a bit ! IF he gets drafted it will be late on saturday afternoon ,it won't shock me to see him be an udfa .
As for the rest of your rankings I am higher on some lower on others but job well done putting them out there for public consumption.

[Chwf3rd]

I haven't seen much mentioned about Dante Pettis around here. Daniel Jeremiah is pretty high on him as he had him in his Top 50 players list, and Lance Zierlein gave him a much higher grade than most WR's in this class on NFL.com.

Personally I like him quite a bit from what I've seen! Explosive target who can do damage vertically, who combines a nice pair of hands with what looks like a much more developed route tree than most peers. Not Will Fuller fast, but quick enough going over the top (not too shabby in the underneath and intermediate stuff) and in the return game, speaking of which he is special once the ball is in his hands and he's in the open field (broke DJax's career NCAA punt return for TD record with 9). He's got a bit of a thin frame, but he seems to be able to track and adjust to the football well, and is nice at stacking DB's.

I'm thinking a solid combine should get him a day 2 (round 3?) pick, and if he blows the combine up he may slip into the second round, even.

Thoughts? Anyone else a fan?

I’m curious why you think he’s explosive? I was expecting this explosive, twitchy WR when I watched him based on his PR ability but didn’t see it at all. Instead I saw a really smooth possession WR type with solid route running but very boring to watch.

[jaykay22]

I haven't seen much mentioned about Dante Pettis around here. Daniel Jeremiah is pretty high on him as he had him in his Top 50 players list, and Lance Zierlein gave him a much higher grade than most WR's in this class on NFL.com.

Personally I like him quite a bit from what I've seen! Explosive target who can do damage vertically, who combines a nice pair of hands with what looks like a much more developed route tree than most peers. Not Will Fuller fast, but quick enough going over the top (not too shabby in the underneath and intermediate stuff) and in the return game, speaking of which he is special once the ball is in his hands and he's in the open field (broke DJax's career NCAA punt return for TD record with 9). He's got a bit of a thin frame, but he seems to be able to track and adjust to the football well, and is nice at stacking DB's.

I'm thinking a solid combine should get him a day 2 (round 3?) pick, and if he blows the combine up he may slip into the second round, even.

Thoughts? Anyone else a fan?

I’m curious why you think he’s explosive? I was expecting this explosive, twitchy WR when I watched him based on his PR ability but didn’t see it at all. Instead I saw a really smooth possession WR type with solid route running but very boring to watch.

I saw some nice acceleration (compared to the rest of the class) and good releases off the LOS and a few great sudden double moves he hit on opposing DB's when watching his tape, all of which made him seem pretty twitchy. I will be the first to say I'm very much a n00b when it comes to watching tape, and maybe I let those lead me to believe he might be more explosive than he is?