2018 RB rookie discussion

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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby IBall2 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:00 am

hockeyBjj wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:47 am How worried are we about Jones II? I saw him as the #5 back of this class and was hoping to get him at 1.6. I know landing spots not established and all that, but I saw a steep drop off after Rojo and if he's giving shades of John Ross and never being healthy or 100%, I find myself at 1.6 on the wrong end of a dropoff and need to make a move before people fall irrationally in love with who they want at 2-5 as they find out the teams
I guess it depends how big of a dropoff you see after 1.05 (if you're now grouping Ronald Jones in with the tier after 1.05). I see Barkley/Chubb/Michel/Guice as the top 4 backs in the draft, followed by Penny/Jones/freeman, then I see a substantial drop off in RB depth. I wouldn't be worried at 1.06 personally. Plus you can probably get any WR at that spot which is nice as well.

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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby nathanq42 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:27 am

I don't think Rojo has missed any significant time during college... John Ross had 2 (3?) Major knee injuries during college... Rojo over trained for the combine and hurt his hamstring... If every player that pulled a hammy is labeled injury prone then the whole league will be injury prone. Until I see that he can't handle the NFL I don't see any reason to speculate he won't, other than he is a bit light (but looks like he can add a few pounds pretty easily)
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QB Jalen Hurts
RB A-train, D'Onta Foreman,Jahmyr Gibbs, JK Dobbins, Rashaad Penny, AJ Dillon, Jerrick McKinnon, Joshua Kelley, TDP, Chase Edmonds, JRob, Zamir White
WR CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, DJ Moore, Hollywood Brown, Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Junior, Marvin Jones, Braxton Berrios, Richie James
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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby James McGhee » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:41 am

nathanq42 wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:27 am I don't think Rojo has missed any significant time during college... John Ross had 2 (3?) Major knee injuries during college... Rojo over trained for the combine and hurt his hamstring... If every player that pulled a hammy is labeled injury prone then the whole league will be injury prone. Until I see that he can't handle the NFL I don't see any reason to speculate he won't, other than he is a bit light (but looks like he can add a few pounds pretty easily)
He did add pounds and then he pulled his hammy running the 40 at the combine. Some people's frames are only meant to carry so much weight before their tendons and ligaments begin to strain.
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Mark Ingram, Kerryon Johnson, Rashaad Penny, Ronald Jones
AJ Green, Keenan Allen, Michael Thomas, Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Keelan Cole
Rob Gronkowski
Will Lutz
Minnesota Defense

12 team league; 30-man roster; full PPR
QB/2 RB/2 WR/TE/3 FLX

Rodgers, Goff, Carr
Bell, J. Stewart, Foreman, Perine
Hopkins, K. Allen, Cooks, Hurns, Kupp, Lee, C. Samuel, Patterson, Taywan Taylor
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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby xlur8ed » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:55 am

Pumped for Guice's Pro Day (April 4th)

https://twitter.com/fadde/status/978981356624429056
Team 1: 24 Team Superflex - RB/WR 1.0PPR - TE 1.5PPR - 2 Copy
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 1SF, 3Flex
QB: Wilson, Stafford, Blough, Keenum
RB: Zeke, Gordon, Carson, Mack, Michel, White, Trayveon Williams
WR: KAllen, Kupp, Kirk, ESanders, Jeffery, PWilliams, TWilliams, RRidley, Coutee, Boykin, KCole
TE: Hooper, Olsen, Jonnu Smith, Uzomah, Akins, Alie-Cox, JReed

Team 2: 10 Team - 0.5PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex
QB: Rodgers, Brady, Herbert
RB: CEH, Bell, Connor, Guice, Ingram, Dobbins
WR: Godwin, OBJ, Sutton, Higgins, Aiyuk, ESanders, PWilliams, Perriman, ABrown, VJefferson
TE: Kelce, Higbee

Team 3: 12 Team Superflex - 1.0PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 3Flex
QB: JAllen, Rodgers, Brady, Mullens
RB: Zeke, Bell, Henry, DJohnson, JWhite, JJackson, BLove
WR: Adams, Kupp, Edelman, DJohnson, Jeffery, PWilliams, AMiller, PCampbell, CBeasley, Hamler, TJohnson
TE: Kelce, Hooper, Olsen, Rudolph, Uzomah

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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby nathanq42 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:55 am

James McGhee wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:41 am
nathanq42 wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:27 am I don't think Rojo has missed any significant time during college... John Ross had 2 (3?) Major knee injuries during college... Rojo over trained for the combine and hurt his hamstring... If every player that pulled a hammy is labeled injury prone then the whole league will be injury prone. Until I see that he can't handle the NFL I don't see any reason to speculate he won't, other than he is a bit light (but looks like he can add a few pounds pretty easily)
He did add pounds and then he pulled his hammy running the 40 at the combine. Some people's frames are only meant to carry so much weight before their tendons and ligaments begin to strain.
He allegedly was having hammy issues leading up to the combine (he claims he dehydrated and overworked himself, happens sometimes to high level athletes, in the 2011 NHL final series zedano Chara had a sever dehydration scare and he was leader/captain of the team)

I get that he may not be able to bulk up to 215 area, but being labelled injury prone because he got hurt at the combine is far fetched
12 Team 1 ppr .1 points per carry
Garbage
QB Jalen Hurts
RB A-train, D'Onta Foreman,Jahmyr Gibbs, JK Dobbins, Rashaad Penny, AJ Dillon, Jerrick McKinnon, Joshua Kelley, TDP, Chase Edmonds, JRob, Zamir White
WR CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, DJ Moore, Hollywood Brown, Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Junior, Marvin Jones, Braxton Berrios, Richie James
TE Dalton Kincaid, Foster Moreau
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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby James McGhee » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:16 am

nathanq42 wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:55 am
James McGhee wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:41 am
nathanq42 wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:27 am I don't think Rojo has missed any significant time during college... John Ross had 2 (3?) Major knee injuries during college... Rojo over trained for the combine and hurt his hamstring... If every player that pulled a hammy is labeled injury prone then the whole league will be injury prone. Until I see that he can't handle the NFL I don't see any reason to speculate he won't, other than he is a bit light (but looks like he can add a few pounds pretty easily)
He did add pounds and then he pulled his hammy running the 40 at the combine. Some people's frames are only meant to carry so much weight before their tendons and ligaments begin to strain.
He allegedly was having hammy issues leading up to the combine (he claims he dehydrated and overworked himself, happens sometimes to high level athletes, in the 2011 NHL final series zedano Chara had a sever dehydration scare and he was leader/captain of the team)

I get that he may not be able to bulk up to 215 area, but being labelled injury prone because he got hurt at the combine is far fetched
But simply assuming "Oh he can bulk up I'm not worried" is similarly unwise.

At his size he should have run a sub 4.4 40 yd dash.

So he's not that fast and not that big. I'm taking a pass.
12 team league; 15 man roster; .5 pt PPR;
QB/RB/2 WR/TE/2 FLX/K/DEF

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Mark Ingram, Kerryon Johnson, Rashaad Penny, Ronald Jones
AJ Green, Keenan Allen, Michael Thomas, Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Keelan Cole
Rob Gronkowski
Will Lutz
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12 team league; 30-man roster; full PPR
QB/2 RB/2 WR/TE/3 FLX

Rodgers, Goff, Carr
Bell, J. Stewart, Foreman, Perine
Hopkins, K. Allen, Cooks, Hurns, Kupp, Lee, C. Samuel, Patterson, Taywan Taylor
Howard, Hooper, S. Anderson

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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:25 am

James McGhee wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:16 am
nathanq42 wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:55 am
James McGhee wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:41 am

He did add pounds and then he pulled his hammy running the 40 at the combine. Some people's frames are only meant to carry so much weight before their tendons and ligaments begin to strain.
He allegedly was having hammy issues leading up to the combine (he claims he dehydrated and overworked himself, happens sometimes to high level athletes, in the 2011 NHL final series zedano Chara had a sever dehydration scare and he was leader/captain of the team)

I get that he may not be able to bulk up to 215 area, but being labelled injury prone because he got hurt at the combine is far fetched
But simply assuming "Oh he can bulk up I'm not worried" is similarly unwise.

At his size he should have run a sub 4.4 40 yd dash.

So he's not that fast and not that big. I'm taking a pass.
Until he runs on a healthy hamstring, no one knows how fast he really is. Sure looks fast in college & his track & field times are pretty good as well.

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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby Valhalla » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:23 pm

Forza_Azzurri wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:25 am
James McGhee wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:16 am
nathanq42 wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:55 am

He allegedly was having hammy issues leading up to the combine (he claims he dehydrated and overworked himself, happens sometimes to high level athletes, in the 2011 NHL final series zedano Chara had a sever dehydration scare and he was leader/captain of the team)

I get that he may not be able to bulk up to 215 area, but being labelled injury prone because he got hurt at the combine is far fetched
But simply assuming "Oh he can bulk up I'm not worried" is similarly unwise.

At his size he should have run a sub 4.4 40 yd dash.

So he's not that fast and not that big. I'm taking a pass.
Until he runs on a healthy hamstring, no one knows how fast he really is. Sure looks fast in college & his track & field times are pretty good as well.
I need to look at Ron Jones for myself to get a concrete opinion, but this point has a lot of merit. Dalvin Cook also tested pretty slow...but he looked blazing fast in college. Sometimes guys just have a bad day, and that can be the day of the combine. Even a track and field specialist can have good days and bad days. Hell Olympians will put up variable times. Not AS variable, because they are highly practiced on the athletic motions and are using blocks, which minimizes the chance of loss of friction on the initial crucial explosive motions...but it's still variable. How can we put a concrete number on their speed from 1-2 attempts at a motion they have on and off practiced for a few months before they go and run it? If a RB is leaving a CB in his wake in a couple plays in college, and that same RB then runs a slightly slower 40 than the CB did...what does that tell us? That the CB was slacking in college? That the CB is simply better at running a 40 but not faster on the field? That the CB happened to be gassed from chasing a top WR around all day? That it was just a bad day for the RB at the combine?

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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

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xlur8ed wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:55 am Pumped for Guice's Pro Day (April 4th)

https://twitter.com/fadde/status/978981356624429056
So I watched Mayock talk about Guice pro day. He spent pretty much the entire day lining up all over and catching passes to demonstrate his pass catching ability, and definitely helped his draft stock. Does this alleviate anyones concerns? Or you feel more like "meh its a pro day"?

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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby xlur8ed » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:05 pm

Bot101 wrote: Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:02 pm
xlur8ed wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:55 am Pumped for Guice's Pro Day (April 4th)

https://twitter.com/fadde/status/978981356624429056
So I watched Mayock talk about Guice pro day. He spent pretty much the entire day lining up all over and catching passes to demonstrate his pass catching ability, and definitely helped his draft stock. Does this alleviate anyones concerns? Or you feel more like "meh its a pro day"?
Honestly that was the only thing I wanted to see him do, and watching live LSU updates, he can catch the ball and his footwork in slow-mo looked proper while maintaining forward balance. I do still favor Barkley by a good margin strictly off style of play and the lack of repeated abuse he will take versus Guice, but I'd say at this point Guice has all the tangibles to be as good or better (I said it) than Barkley depending on landing situation. I wouldn't move off 1.02 for anything less than a queens ransom (to Barkley's kings ransom) prior to the draft.
Team 1: 24 Team Superflex - RB/WR 1.0PPR - TE 1.5PPR - 2 Copy
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 1SF, 3Flex
QB: Wilson, Stafford, Blough, Keenum
RB: Zeke, Gordon, Carson, Mack, Michel, White, Trayveon Williams
WR: KAllen, Kupp, Kirk, ESanders, Jeffery, PWilliams, TWilliams, RRidley, Coutee, Boykin, KCole
TE: Hooper, Olsen, Jonnu Smith, Uzomah, Akins, Alie-Cox, JReed

Team 2: 10 Team - 0.5PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex
QB: Rodgers, Brady, Herbert
RB: CEH, Bell, Connor, Guice, Ingram, Dobbins
WR: Godwin, OBJ, Sutton, Higgins, Aiyuk, ESanders, PWilliams, Perriman, ABrown, VJefferson
TE: Kelce, Higbee

Team 3: 12 Team Superflex - 1.0PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 3Flex
QB: JAllen, Rodgers, Brady, Mullens
RB: Zeke, Bell, Henry, DJohnson, JWhite, JJackson, BLove
WR: Adams, Kupp, Edelman, DJohnson, Jeffery, PWilliams, AMiller, PCampbell, CBeasley, Hamler, TJohnson
TE: Kelce, Hooper, Olsen, Rudolph, Uzomah

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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby DynastyDeepDive » Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:02 pm

I think (and many others) that Jones has the speed and elusiveness but does he have the body to take the beating. At 205, kind of light for a full time back for me.

I'm sitting at 1.03 and will take a rb or a qb. It will be fun debating to myself which direction to go in during the next 5 months...lol
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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby Bot101 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:02 pm

xlur8ed wrote: Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:05 pm
Bot101 wrote: Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:02 pm
xlur8ed wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:55 am Pumped for Guice's Pro Day (April 4th)

https://twitter.com/fadde/status/978981356624429056
So I watched Mayock talk about Guice pro day. He spent pretty much the entire day lining up all over and catching passes to demonstrate his pass catching ability, and definitely helped his draft stock. Does this alleviate anyones concerns? Or you feel more like "meh its a pro day"?
Honestly that was the only thing I wanted to see him do, and watching live LSU updates, he can catch the ball and his footwork in slow-mo looked proper while maintaining forward balance. I do still favor Barkley by a good margin strictly off style of play and the lack of repeated abuse he will take versus Guice, but I'd say at this point Guice has all the tangibles to be as good or better (I said it) than Barkley depending on landing situation. I wouldn't move off 1.02 for anything less than a queens ransom (to Barkley's kings ransom) prior to the draft.
I just hope for 2 things.

1 He lands in a good spot. Pittsburgh would be ideal. They seem to be very interested.

2 Hope he learns when not to take a hit. Id like to see him prolong his career if I am investing my 1.02 on him.

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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby DynoScout » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:41 am

Pre-Draft Opinion
Barkley
Chubb
Guice
Penny
Michel
Jones
Freeman
Johnson
Scarbrough
Ballage
Edmonds
Jackson
Walton
Kelly
Hines
Scott
Adams
Wadley

If not listed, I didn't get to them or didn't have access to enough film to form an opinion worth posting.

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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby ravn88 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:17 am

DynoScout wrote: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:41 am Pre-Draft Opinion
Barkley
Chubb
Guice
Penny
Michel
Jones
Freeman
Johnson
Scarbrough
Ballage
Edmonds
Jackson
Walton
Kelly
Hines
Scott
Adams
Wadley

If not listed, I didn't get to them or didn't have access to enough film to form an opinion worth posting.
What is you see or like about Penny, that makes him a better/or higher on your list than, Jones II, Michel and maybe Freeman ?

I see Penny more or less at the same tier as Freeman..
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QB: Carson Wentz, P. Mahomes
RB: A. Jones, MGIII, Dobbins, L. Bell, Ingram, J Williams & Gaskin
WR: D. Hopkins, J. Jones, K. Allen, J Crowder, Humpries & Agolor
TE: E. Engram, Trey Burton, V Davis & J. Doyle

Team 2: 1QB 1 SF 3RB 5WR 2TE 2FLEX DEF 26 Keepers 2019 Champ :thumbup: 2020 third place

QB: J. Allen Wentz Watson D. Lock.
RB: Barkley Zeke CEH J. Robinson D. Freeman Penny
WR: M. Thomas Cooper Godwin Juju J. Washington Renfrow, Jeudy, R. Moore TreQuan, P. Williams
TE: Waller Engram OJH & Everett
DEF: Pats & Browns

Team 3: 1QB 1SF 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX DEF K

QB: Wilson Wentz Tannehill Brees Haskins Foles
RB: CMC Zeke Miles CEH AP J. Jackson B. Scott
WR: Evans Adams Landry Metcalf E. Sanders Lazard
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Re: 2018 RB rookie discussion

Postby kamihamster » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:26 am

Saw a news blurb saying that Michel could slip because some of his medicals. They didn't specify what those medical problems were. Anyone see that or know any more information?
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WR: O.Beckham, D.Hopkins, C.Kupp, D.Chark, R.Foster, A.Wilson, J.Reynolds, S.Morgan, B.Pringle, O.Johnson, D.Williams, D.Willis
TE: J.Cook, M.Andrews, A.Shaheen, B.Jarwin
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