joeday wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:44 am
lukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:29 am
joeday wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:30 am
It really is a shame on Wentz. I really think he would have won MVP over Brady if the two were even close in record or stats. As far as Foles is concerned...
he lit up the league a few years back in this same offense. I will be picking him up where I can, if for no other reason than to c*ck block opponents.
1. Not the same offense. That was Chip Kelley
Thats right...I thought it was Reid's last year there...my bad.
2. He most certainly did not light up the league. He had an amazingly fluky year where defenders dropped pick after pick and the talent around him made him look great in box scores. He was not a good QB that year. Just like Bortles didn't "get bad" last year, he's always been bad.
I should have said he lit up fantasy...with comparable weapons.
Wentz has been great, but he has ALSO had multiple pick passes that end up being dropped, or even more crazy, a bad, interceptable pass tipped forward 5 yards and landing perfectly in the arms of a TE streaking for a TD to win the game. A bad pick to lose the game turns into a deep TD to win the game...that sounds like some of what Foles got.
I like Wentz. I'm not saying he hasn't been better than what Foles ever was. I just bring this up to defend Foles. Foles DID have some fluky stuff help him out to his absurd season (he led the league in passer rating...and yards per attempt...in the same season that Peyton Manning had an absurd year). Foles didn't play well enough to lead the league in passer rating on his own merit, which is where the flukiness came in. That doesn't mean he was outright bad, though.
I know passer rating doesn't tell the whole story, but just for some perspective...in Foles' rookie year, he put up a passer rating of 79.1 in the 7 games he was thrown in due to injury. That was good for 24th in the NFL (not "worst starter in the league") as a rookie. I believe he was the best on his team that year, as his team average passer rating is lower.
His second year, he didn't start the season as the starter. He played in 13 games, starting 10 of them. He finished with a league leading 119.2 passer rating and 9.1 yards per attempt (that's absurdly high for a 2nd year QB, damn high for even Aaron Rodgers), and not that it means anything, but he was also the Pro Bowl MVP. The flukiness helped no doubt, but it didn't make him. It just made the numbers absurd. Peyton finished with 115.1 in his absurd season, finishing second. I thought Foles played well enough that year, and the flukes made it all absurd.
In his 3rd year, he started 8 games before going down to injury in a scheme that had largely been already solved by the NFL defensive coordinators. His passer rating? 81.4. Not a good 8 game stretch, but certainly not worst in the league. He was a good deal better than Carr, Cousins, Keenum, (woah, you mean QBs can have bad years AND have good years? Crazy!) and a good 12 points better than Bortles and McCown...so not "worst in the league." His bad year (8 game sample QB rating) was on par with Cam Newton that year, if you're curious.
Foles was FAR AND AWAY the most winning QB on those Chip Kelley teams, so it's not like it was just that "sweet system." It also wasn't "just the supporting cast propping up his talent-less bleep." In 2013, Vick wasn't able to do jack. Foles came in to save the week 5 disaster and pulled a W. Week 6, had a great game and another W. Week 7 he starts out struggling so the genius Kelley pushed Barkley over Foles. He played just as bad and they lost. Week 8, keep the Barkley push alive (for whatever reason...maybe because he was the #1 high school recruit at one point and I'm sure Chip was after him at that time), he played horrible, and the Eagles get an L. Chip is forced back to Foles, and they win the next 7 out of 8 (losing to the Vikings
). Foles got some lucky bounces and dropped interceptions. He wasn't a god. He wasn't the worst QB in the league, though. The media tore him apart because they knew his stats were painting too pretty of a picture, but they really tore into him making him seem horrible, which just wasn't the case. Anyone watching ESPN and believing that bleep ate it up, though. I mean, the kid has red hair...right guys?
So then after Foles gets injured and Sanchize takes over, Foles is unfortunate enough to be traded to Jeff Fisher's squad. Foles fails (like EVERY NON-MCNAIR QB FISHER HAS FORCED THAT SYSTEM ON) and the media can't contain themselves pronouncing "We were right! We were right! Fisher's system is gold for a QB and he can't succeed there!" Yep, the mass media LOVED Fisher's scheme...for YEARS...because he was a coaching mainstay. Eventually, they came around to just how horrible this scheme was but the narrative on Foles was already ingrained in most minds. He sucks. Failed QB that will be lucky to be a backup.
In his time since the Rams "chance," Foles has gotten one opportunity to get some snaps, with the Chiefs. He was an emergency fill-in mid-season for Alex Smith (got the W with a decent game) and only got to toss 55 passes on the year, but finished with a 105.9 passer rating on those 55 passes. There was a bit of debate on whether Foles should be starting over Smith, but the team was winning so most coaches just won't shake things up like that (and maybe they shouldn't).
Take away the Rams disaster year and Foles has thrown 49 TDs to 17 INTs, with a passer rating somewhere around 95 (not calculating that out).
He is one of two QBs to ever post a perfect passer rating while throwing 400+ yards (Ken O'Brien being the other).
Sid Luckman ('43), Adrian Burk('54), George Blanda ('61), Y.A. Tittle ('62), Joe Kapp ('69), Peyton Manning ('13), Nick Foles ('13), Drew Brees ('15) with 7 TD passes in a single game. These are fluke games, but you don't entirely fluke into games like this. There has to be some inherent, non-"worst in the league" level talent there.
Sorry, Foles is a hot button for me. The hate is absurd, and it's never made sense to me.
Gambled on all my picks as it was a winner take all payout. Will never play a league like that again. Way too stressful
