Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

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Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

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Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby pvillebiker » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:33 am

It's long been generally accepted in the dynasty community that Winston and Mariota are both high-potential, top 10 QB's, while Goff and Wentz were inferior assets and simply not as high potential. Has this year flipped that script or is this recency bias to the extreme.

Which pair do you think is more valuable and why?

Last year it was easily Winston & Marcus for me, but I actually would easily rather have Wentz + Goff now.

Wentz - this year + paired with new successful coach, enough said.
Goff - this year + paired with a crazy good and crazy young coach

Winston - has been good, not great. Coach on shaky ground (regime change coming?)
Mariota - legit concerns about ability to stay healthy + fully develop as a passer. Corey Davis doesn't hurt!

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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby maxhyde » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:37 am

Davis isn't going to fix Mariota's lack of being a solid pocket passer. He will help with the transition but Mariota still is best when he is running too which is why he has injury concerns.

I am going with Goff and Wentz for now...guys that succeed in the pocket because you have to be able to do that to win in the NFL and play QB
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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby smoger45 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:42 am

Eagles added needed weapons around wentz and he is not dissapointing. If they strike a new deal with Jeffrey and Ajayi the offense should be golden. Same goes for Goff. Added Woods, Watkins and Kupp.

I can see Mariota reaching a higher potential if Davis can break out. If Winston loses evans, he is toast. Would rather have Wentz and Goff right now over Winston and Mariota.
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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby jcc6fd » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:00 am

The argument here might be where you rank Goff among the four. What I don't think can be argued is that Wentz has ascended to the top of these options and that coupled with my opinion that Goff is at least very closely trailing Winston/Mariota means I'd take the Wentz side handily.
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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby dm1129 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:25 am

jcc6fd wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:00 am The argument here might be where you rank Goff among the four. What I don't think can be argued is that Wentz has ascended to the top of these options and that coupled with my opinion that Goff is at least very closely trailing Winston/Mariota means I'd take the Wentz side handily.
Goff is the best of the four. I know the fantasy community loves Wentz. but Goff is better. Winston is simply not very good. He is not accurate and that has been hidden to a large extent by Evans up to this point in his NFL career. Winston also is terrible at reading defenses and his decision making is abysmal. Mariota is cursed with terrible coaching. His ability to transition to an NFL pocket passer will be stunted as long as the current coaching staff is in place, so it is difficlut to know how much is on him and how much is coaching. In any case, Goff and Wentz by a wide margin for me.

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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby CK_ » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:50 am

Not a fan of this due to it would've been completely opposite last season. Boils down to the coaching staff to me and them having the new blood come in helps boost Goff and Wentz. If we really believed Goff and Wentz are better then we would've been selling Mariota and Winston last year for Goff and Wentz... that just wouldn't happen.

Give me a 3 year plan for these 4 QBs and then we can decide who is the better group.
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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby maxhyde » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:10 am

CK_ wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:50 am Give me a 3 year plan for these 4 QBs and then we can decide who is the better group.
Unfortunately part of dynasty is recognizing trends/flashes early enough and making decisions to maximize return. Have to be willing to be wrong to be right.

I get what you are saying and 2 have much smaller sample sample sizes than the QB's we are comparing to but while I like Winston and think he is probably 2nd on this list Mariota has more work than the other 3 to be consistent in the NFL. Mariota was ranked highly because he is young, has shown flashes of elite upside and the other options were not inspiring.
To say Winston would struggle without Evans is a bit of a stretch at this point imo because we have very few games to sample and predicting Winston isn't good enough to find the open guys is pretty difficult and not something I would do at this time.
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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby flashgordon12 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:41 am

I can't stand Winston, plus I don't think he's ever going to be an elite QB. I'll side with Wentz and Goff just because I think Wentz has the highest ceiling of all of these guys
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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby dynastyninja » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:48 am

It has to be Goff and Wentz. They both have potential to be among the elite QBs. Winston and Mariota probably won't turn into elite guys.

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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby Vcize » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:36 pm

This is not close for me. Winston/Mariota are just a couple more guys in that group of young QBs who looked like they might turn into something elite but then kind of leveled off. A couple more Ryan Tannehills.

Goff and especially Wentz are already playing at those elite levels.
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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby Cameron Giles » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:47 pm

This thread would've been laughed off the board a year ago. It's an unfair question to a degree because both Winston and Mariota have battled injuries this season.

I'm taking Wentz and Goff though. I'm more into QB's that can win from the pocket. I did not think Wentz was anything special, but it's an understatement to say that I was wrong.

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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby kmbryant09 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:33 pm

-Wentz (everything you want in a QB and already producing top 5 numbers)

... Huge gap...

-Mariota (injury concerns are real but his legs give him legit upside that I don't see with the remaining 2 options)
-Goff (pedigree and decent production but part of me is worried that the rest of the league will catch up to that offense)
-Winston (major accuracy issues and poor decision making, plus maturity concerns. Never been a fan)
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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby Space Cowboy » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:29 pm

Never been a mariota fan and now Winston has potential legal concerns.

Goff and wentz but as has been said this could flip in a month.

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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby pvillebiker » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:56 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:47 pm This thread would've been laughed off the board a year ago. It's an unfair question to a degree because both Winston and Mariota have battled injuries this season.

I'm taking Wentz and Goff though. I'm more into QB's that can win from the pocket. I did not think Wentz was anything special, but it's an understatement to say that I was wrong.
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Re: Better Dynasty Assets: Goff + Wentz or Winston + Mariota?

Postby ppm » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:23 am

maxhyde wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:37 am Davis isn't going to fix Mariota's lack of being a solid pocket passer. He will help with the transition but Mariota still is best when he is running too which is why he has injury concerns.

I am going with Goff and Wentz for now...guys that succeed in the pocket because you have to be able to do that to win in the NFL and play QB
Wentz runs more than Mariota does. Big misconception that Mariota is just a runner. He's played mostly from the pocket in the NFL which is why his arrow was pointing way up prior to the step back this year. Also, of Mariota's injuries in the NFL, only the most recent hamstring injury was the result of him running.

That said, as someone who owns the Mariota and Winston tandem in a superflex league I would make this swap. I still very much believe in Mariota for the future but Wentz is the real deal already and Winston is a big concern at this point. Winston has been given all the weapons he could ask for and has not produced to reasonable expectations this year, and the concerns coming out of college (reckless turnovers and immaturity off the field) are coming to life in the NFL.
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