The Tyreek Hill Thread

[dynastyninja]

What a great example. I put him around 15-20. Take away that long TD (which the safety could have prevented if he took a good angle) and he was mediocre. Not necessarily a boom or bust, but a boom or be around average which is around 10-12 points in ppr

I don't think Hill is the type of player who will have sustained, long-term success (as a WR2+). He clearly has talent, and I agree that he is what we wanted Tavon to be (a friend and I were saying that exact thing a few weeks ago), but I wouldn't want to count on him long term.

I'm concerned that he's in the perfect storm right now for production with the Chiefs offense humming. I don't think we can count on Alex Smith playing like this for the rest of his career. In a year or two the offense could look completely different and not lend itself to a unique player like Hill. He's not a big receiver who could fit well in most offenses.

All that said, I'm actually fine with his current ADP of WR18. He's a young receiver who is producing. Can't fault anyone for taking him as their WR2. I just wouldn't be investing too much in him.

[lukkynumber13]

I think he's DJax in his prime (different skill set, but more comparing them as fantasy assets). So, that is a high end WR2, but hopefully he's your WR3 since he will disappoint some weeks.

[dm1129]

Andy Reid did not trade up for a QB with a cannon arm by chance. He has a 4.2 and 4.3 WR on each side(Conley IR this season). It is very clear to me that Reid is evolving his offense even this season with Smith at QB. Smith has not suddenly become elite no more than Hunt has suddenly become elite. The reality is the KC O-line has been dominant for the most part and Reid's play calling is adapting to that. As good as Smith has been thus far, he still cannot fully take advantage of Hill( and eventually Conley's) speed. If you watch closely, most cbs are playing to not give up the go route to Hill. To put it bluntly, most play scared against him. With Mahomes, that threat becomes significantly higher and I firmly beleive Reid's long term plan is to force opposing defenses to defend a larger field and in turn benefit all the skill guys on the KC offense.

[Vcize]

I think he's DJax in his prime (different skill set, but more comparing them as fantasy assets). So, that is a high end WR2, but hopefully he's your WR3 since he will disappoint some weeks.

Hill is getting a lot more work underneath than DJax did. He is on pace for 82 catches this year. DJax didn't even approach that number until his 6th season when he had exactly that number and finished as WR10. He never came within 20 catches of that number in another season in his entire career.

[TheRookiePro]

Hill is getting a lot more work underneath than DJax did. He is on pace for 82 catches this year. DJax didn't even approach that number until his 6th season when he had exactly that number and finished as WR10. He never came within 20 catches of that number in another season in his entire career.

I concur. Too many people unfairly compare Hill to guys like Desean, Cordarrel Patterson, Devin Hester, and other speedy returners/receivers. Hill has the benefit of having a great offensive coach like Reid. And he is showing a hell of a lot more promise at receiver than Desean did back when he was in his sophomore season.

That 30 yard reception Hill made last night in the 3rd quarter proves the critics wrong. Tyreek knew he was going to get rocked by the safety and he still held on.

People should have been higher on his progression as a route runner after that Broncos game last season where he had 9 receptions, 52 yards (longest reception was for 11), and a last play/second TD that gave them the opportunity to tie and later win in OT.

[lukkynumber13]

Hill is getting a lot more work underneath than DJax did. He is on pace for 82 catches this year. DJax didn't even approach that number until his 6th season when he had exactly that number and finished as WR10. He never came within 20 catches of that number in another season in his entire career.

I concur. Too many people unfairly compare Hill to guys like Desean, Cordarrel Patterson, Devin Hester, and other speedy returners/receivers. Hill has the benefit of having a great offensive coach like Reid. And he is showing a hell of a lot more promise at receiver than Desean did back when he was in his sophomore season.

That 30 yard reception Hill made last night in the 3rd quarter proves the critics wrong. Tyreek knew he was going to get rocked by the safety and he still held on.

People should have been higher on his progression as a route runner after that Broncos game last season where he had 9 receptions, 52 yards (longest reception was for 11), and a last play/second TD that gave them the opportunity to tie and later win in OT.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't knocking Hill at all by comparing him to DJax in his prime as an asset. You gotta remember, if DJax wasn't always hurt, his career numbers would be equal to what Hilton is doing, but with more TDs. 3-5 years ago, DJax was a borderline WR1 when healthy. But just like Jackson, Hill owners know that occasionally you'll get a 2-18 game thrown in.

[ArrylT]

Hill is getting a lot more work underneath than DJax did. He is on pace for 82 catches this year. DJax didn't even approach that number until his 6th season when he had exactly that number and finished as WR10. He never came within 20 catches of that number in another season in his entire career.

I concur. Too many people unfairly compare Hill to guys like Desean, Cordarrel Patterson, Devin Hester, and other speedy returners/receivers. Hill has the benefit of having a great offensive coach like Reid. And he is showing a hell of a lot more promise at receiver than Desean did back when he was in his sophomore season.

That 30 yard reception Hill made last night in the 3rd quarter proves the critics wrong. Tyreek knew he was going to get rocked by the safety and he still held on.

People should have been higher on his progression as a route runner after that Broncos game last season where he had 9 receptions, 52 yards (longest reception was for 11), and a last play/second TD that gave them the opportunity to tie and later win in OT.

You're referring to the 62 reception, 1, 156 yard 9 TD selected to the pro bowl sophomore season Desean Jackson had or some other sophomore season??

[TheRookiePro]

You're referring to the 62 reception, 1, 156 yard 9 TD selected to the pro bowl sophomore season Desean Jackson had or some other sophomore season??

This thread is meant to discuss Tyreek Hill's progression as a receiver, not just a big play threat. That was a great season for Desean, but the 62 receptions is indicative to this conversation, and why I brought him up as an example. The OP is bringing up the debate of Tyreek's floor being higher than expected and how he may not be a boom or bust PPR receiver like Desean.

FYI..

"And he is showing a hell of a lot more promise at receiver than Desean did back when he was in his sophomore season." I was implying how Tyreek does not have as limited of a route tree than Desean did back then.

[Plank]

NFL is changing, there is less blood sport in the middle of the field .. guys like Tyreek et al, running crossers in the middle don't have to worry "as much" about being put in the hospital .. There was a time where the middle really was unthinkable for smaller fast guys for all this underneath stuff, you had to be able to take a hit to survive the NFL inside game, to a degree this is still true, but its not like it used to be ..

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

Andy Reid did not trade up for a QB with a cannon arm by chance. He has a 4.2 and 4.3 WR on each side(Conley IR this season). It is very clear to me that Reid is evolving his offense even this season with Smith at QB. Smith has not suddenly become elite no more than Hunt has suddenly become elite. The reality is the KC O-line has been dominant for the most part and Reid's play calling is adapting to that. As good as Smith has been thus far, he still cannot fully take advantage of Hill( and eventually Conley's) speed. If you watch closely, most cbs are playing to not give up the go route to Hill. To put it bluntly, most play scared against him. With Mahomes, that threat becomes significantly higher and I firmly beleive Reid's long term plan is to force opposing defenses to defend a larger field and in turn benefit all the skill guys on the KC offense.

This 100%. I bought Tyreek Hill in two leagues this past offseason. As good as he's been this year, I'd still be buying "high" on him because imagine what Hill could do if KC's interior offensive linemen got healthy and Patrick Mahomes became the starting QB...KC's offense is basically going to become 2015 PIT where you couldn't stop all three of Le'Veon Bell, Antonio Brown, and Martavis Bryant. Opposing teams have/will have the same problem with Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, and Travis Kelce.

[playa_hata]

now i know that there are tyreek truthers out there and that tyreeks adp is 2nd round in start ups so its not like im predicting a sleeper to break out or anything BUT im calling it now tyreek hill is the next antonio brown and will become a more consistent threat every week. I know this might sound like a hot take but I just want to post this on here so I have proof of predicting his greatness. Let me have it folks you with me or you with out me!?

[FantasyFreak]

Tyreek Hill. No. I think if he hits last years numbers this year you should consider yourself lucky. That offense is due to regress, and although Watkins has been a major disappointment, he's still better than anything they had on the other side last year.

[jwall]

I burned myself reading this take.

[ArrylT]

Don't fly so close to the sun, young Icarus.

[ninotoreS]

Hill doesn't profile like AB beyond height and weight.

AB is our generation's Jerry Rice because he hauls in better than 70% of his contested catches every year and he's the best route runner in the NFL. Hill is an Olympic caliber speed merchant, and his entire game relies on it.

Hill and AB don't win the same way. Comparing them to each other is like comparing Wes Welker to Steve Smith Sr.