Buy Low Time - Jordan Matthews

[ninotoreS]

How is it fair to blame JMatt for any chemistry problems with TT during the first four weeks of the season?

But it isn't 'chemistry'. Matthews just wasn't getting open. He's grading better than Jones, Holmes, and Clay, but he's still been only a bit better than replacement-level (the other guys have been grading below replacement-level).

PFF will penalize the QB's grade every snap they see him missing open receivers. Taylor's grade hasn't been getting dinged because he is indeed finding Matthews and the other guys when they're actually open. Which isn't often.

[rubber_duck]

How is it fair to blame JMatt for any chemistry problems with TT during the first four weeks of the season?

But it isn't 'chemistry'. Matthews just wasn't getting open. He's grading better than Jones, Holmes, and Clay, but he's still been only a bit better than replacement-level (the other guys have been grading below replacement-level).

PFF will penalize the QB's grade every snap they see him missing open receivers. Taylor's grade hasn't been getting dinged because he is indeed finding Matthews and the other guys when they're actually open. Which isn't often.

Who is this PFF guy and why isn't he on this thread stating his own case for/against Matthews?

[Valhalla]

Not before the 4th quarter of last week's game.

Actually, yes. Injury heavily factored in before week 4. He was acquired late, and was injured day 1 or 2 of practice. He couldn't practice all preseason if I remember right. That means he had no time with Tyrod. No time himself to get acclimated and fit again.
Hell he was injured the entire offseason. While still on the Eagles, he was nursing his knee through all of OTAs. As soon as he got the knee right, he was traded and then quickly injured his ribs.
You can fairly knock him for getting injured a lot if you want. I don't think weeks 1-4 are a fair judgement of his ability given the entirely missed offseason.

[Valhalla]

How is it fair to blame JMatt for any chemistry problems with TT during the first four weeks of the season?

But it isn't 'chemistry'. Matthews just wasn't getting open. He's grading better than Jones, Holmes, and Clay, but he's still been only a bit better than replacement-level (the other guys have been grading below replacement-level).

PFF will penalize the QB's grade every snap they see him missing open receivers. Taylor's grade hasn't been getting dinged because he is indeed finding Matthews and the other guys when they're actually open. Which isn't often.

Who is this PFF guy and why isn't he on this thread stating his own case for/against Matthews?

The issue with PFF. It's simply not as objective as presented.
Also...there is such a thing as throwing to a guy BEFORE he gets open. It's all about foresight, placement and trajectory. There's a reason the term "throwing him open" exists. Often a wr will still have his coverage still close by, but he has the correct positioning to make a rather uncontested catch given the right ball placement and trajectory. That's throwing a guy open. I doubt PFF penalizes a QB for missing these passes or not throwing them to begin with. I doubt they reward a wr for getting in the correct position if they aren't targeted.

[rubber_duck]

The issue with PFF. It's simply not as objective as presented.

Fully agree with this. Some of these "advanced analytics" are good to help give added perspective on players. Some of these AAs amount to little more than another person's opinion cloaked as data.

When someone starts backing their opinion of a player (for good or bad) and citing some of these AAs as fact, then I just stop reading.

[rubber_duck]

The issue with PFF. It's simply not as objective as presented.

Fully agree with this. Some of these "advanced analytics" are good to help give added perspective on players. Some of these AAs amount to little more than another person's opinion cloaked as data.

When someone starts backing their opinion of a player (for good or bad) by citing some of these AAs as fact, then I just stop reading.

[jman3134]

I haven't watched the tape in depth to really say enough, but I never thought of JMatt as someone who is not athletic enough to create separation from the defense. Perhaps it is the routes he is running or the defensive coverage on him? Again, it is not like he has had much time to develop chemistry with his QB. Also, how is the sample size large enough if they are only throwing 25 times per game?

Unless he is truly playing injured, I cannot imagine JMatt is lacking the explosion to get open.

With that said, I have never been a huge fan of JMatt, but feel he is being sold short here. In Philly, he had no problem gaining separation from his defenders and he often faced difficult coverages. However, he was prone to drops and mental errors, which often frustrated Eagles fans.

[btv802]

Would anybody sell Duke Johnson to acquire him at this point? My team is 0-4 and I'm generally open to taking on injured players from legit contenders if the deal makes sense.

[rubber_duck]

Would anybody sell Duke Johnson to acquire him at this point? My team is 0-4 and I'm generally open to taking on injured players from legit contenders if the deal makes sense.

Duke might get it done. Could be a good value play for you if you're looking to move on from DJjr.

Lockett may be another starting point if the Matthews owner in your league needs WR production this year. Lockett had a lot of hype at one point, but is on pace for another 600 - 700 yard season ... but that is no more than a box score generalization.

[DLF3000]

I took a gamble on him yesterday. Always liked his game, but truth is he's disappointed production-wise.

Add in "exile" to BUF and injuries, including a new month-long one, and it's easy to see how plenty of owners are just tired of the guy.

Ultimately, I'm hopeful, but realistic on JMatt - I'll move on in 2018 if it makes sense.

[rubber_duck]

I took a gamble on him yesterday. Always liked his game, but truth is he's disappointed production-wise.

What did you have to give to add Matthews, if you don't mind sharing?

[Concept Coop]

No thanks. He's just not very good. The odds of him being a #1 this time next year are close to zero.

[btv802]

Would anybody sell Duke Johnson to acquire him at this point? My team is 0-4 and I'm generally open to taking on injured players from legit contenders if the deal makes sense.

Duke might get it done. Could be a good value play for you if you're looking to move on from DJjr.

Lockett may be another starting point if the Matthews owner in your league needs WR production this year. Lockett had a lot of hype at one point, but is on pace for another 600 - 700 yard season ... but that is no more than a box score generalization.

Not necessarily looking to move on from him, he's young and talented (at least I think so) but do think he's probably worth more to a contender right now while he's in a good situation to score fantasy points on a bad real life team playing from behind all season. Similarly I'm trying to limit potential points to a certain extent right now so JMatt makes sense for me.

[DLF3000]

I took a gamble on him yesterday. Always liked his game, but truth is he's disappointed production-wise.

What did you have to give to add Matthews, if you don't mind sharing?

Waiver pick up. We're 270 players deep in-season, so it surprised me a little bit when the owner gave up on him.

Had been trying to trade with him for JMatt for a week - before the injury news hit. Then I just revoked them. And then he just dropped him for Ricardo Louis. Even some JMatt truthers have had enough I guess.

Technically, I gave up (dropped) Eric Decker. He's been far worse than expected plus I'm rebuilding. Curious to see what he does this year and next before I move on too.

[Space Cowboy]

Big, slow and not physical enough. He's had golden opportunities since entering the league and he hasn't done much.