Doug Martin Price Check

[ninotoreS]

Just chiming in here to advise Martin owners think twice before starting Martin for Week 5. Being a Thursday night game, Koetter might opt to use Martin sparingly since he's not in game-form yet and this is a short practice week for the Bucs.

Quizz was very good yesterday and graded well according to PFF in Week 2 (Week 3's game-script made that week's performance a wash), so Koetter isn't going to feel pressured to throw Martin back in with a heavy load immediately.


More to the point of the thread topic... I consider Martin worth a mid-late '18 2nd.

I don't hate Martin at all, but Quizz is better than people appreciate and Koetter loves him, but more importantly, Martin will be 29 to start next season and will have a cap hit of nearly 7 million. It is plausible Tampa releases him in '18, and 29-year-old RBs with Martin's career to this point generally aren't hot commodities in free-agency. And even if Tampa does keep him for '18, you can bet your butt they'll have some RBs high on the board for '18's draft.

[Valhalla]

Martin was suspended from practice week 1...then they didn't play. They moved his game suspension back due to the bye week switch. Does that mean he was still suspended from practicing with the team? Or has he started practicing over the past week?

[Jfever]

early second/late first in most of my leagues it appears

WHAT?! That inconsistent midget who has had only 2 great seasons to go along with 4--yes I'm already counting this season--horrible seasons, is being sold for a pick somewhere between #10-14 overall?

So. in your world then, Doug Martin, is worth a future 3rd round rookie pick? hmmm kay. It's a good thing you are on these forum threads. This site offers a lot of information and it looks to me that based on your comments, that - you have a bit to learn when it comes to value and dynasty. There comes a time when winning is important. Now (in the season) is that time for owners looking to contend.

[ninotoreS]

So. in your world then, Doug Martin, is worth a future 3rd round rookie pick?

He didn't say that. He said he doesn't agree that Martin is worth 2.2 or higher.

If you have to put words in a guy's mouth during a debate, your argument is probably weak. And then you followed that up with ad hominem fallacy, so...

You know, it's not even guaranteed Martin will waltz back into clear feature-back status. It's possible he and Quizz timeshare, in which case neither of them will be worth much as a win-now asset. Certainly not the 2.2 or better in '18 (which as of now is looking like another rich class, btw).

[Jfever]

Ninotores, I know what he said. What I don't know though is what is your point? What was the point of your interjection? I mean really? what was it that you brought to the table there?

hominem fallacy.... lmfao. So, if a dude is counting This season as one of 4 BAD seasons and Martin has yet to step on to the field, IM THE ONE YOU QUESTION? Seriously. What does this say about you? Try some of your own hominem fallacy medicine.

I am fully capable of reading and comprehending what I read. Thanks. Maybe you could Read back through the thread. I saw the one where Martin was referred to as an "inconsistent midget". Did you see that one? Not sure if you did. Probably worth discussing a touch, no? Not only did he say that Martin wasn't worth a 1st or 2nd... (which he is entitled to have his opinion) he said much more than that... He also admitted to simply not liking Martin. So... It did make some sense.

Anyway, When I responded, I was looking to A). Clarify just how someone who hates D.Martin, refers to him as an inconsistent Midget would value him at this time in the season in a dynasty setting. Martin, a running back, a 3 down starting rb with little real competition for carries, who is fresh and has no bye in 2017 to be concerned with. A 29 year old running back who has a 1,400 + yd season under his belt on an offense that WANTS to and needs to run the ball. *** B.) Quizz is a JAG, so is C.Simms.... and McNicols.. Martin has shown work horse ability. Honestly, regaurdless of your personal opinion on Martin, By default, he's their best option on an up and coming offense, with a weak defense. Seems to me he'll have some red zone / goal-line opportunities coming. Seems to me they would want to have a balanced attack and at times kill the clock. He also had / or was said to have had a great off season for what it's worth.

Also, just to be VERY clear, I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth and - my argument isn't weak - its rational. Many don't understand the fluctuations of market value between off season and in season. When injuries start piling up and bye weeks start coming into the picture, and owners are figuring out whether they are in the hunt or not, inevitably there is and always is a running back positional shortage. Always. Because of that, selling Martin NOW to a contender means that he very likely IS worth an early 2nd. I wouldn't personally move a 1st but I sure the hell would move a 2nd for a starting rb if I was thinking I'd contend.

It isn't complicated.

Besides, NO ONE is selling Mixon at a discount ANYWHERE in dynasty. Well, no one that is informed I should say. What the crap was that ? We aren't talking redraft.

[Goddard]

I can't believe anyone would be willing to pay a 1st for Martin at this point. He turns 29 in a few months, coming off suspension, looked bad last time he was on the field, and no one even knows what his role will be once he's back. If you're competing and looking for someone to help you, why would you target Martin if you have to pay that for him. There are other, better backs that you should be able to get for a 1st.

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

Dirk Koetter wants to run the ball and not rely on Jameis Winston to throw 30 times a game. The TB defense when healthy is probably top half in the league and will allow for good game scripts. Doug Martin (injury and suspension aside) is by far the most talented RB on that roster. If healthy, Martin has a low end RB2/high end flex floor and low end RB1 ceiling.


Feel free to disagree, but I value Martin as a late 1st or early 2nd. However, I will say that I would acquire Jacquizz Rodgers on the cheap (early 3rd?) wherever possible after Martin returns to hedge on your investment. Rodgers is clearly "the guy" if Martin were to get hurt or suspended again.

[dlf_jules]

First, if you're looking for a RB, don't target specific players; instead, target bad teams looking to unload their RBs.

Now suppose you find a bad team with Martin. What should you offer? No way I'm willing to pay a 1st, late or otherwise. Let's say our wildest hopes for Martin are true, and he immediately begins producing like a mid-RB1. What will he cost to acquire from that bad team? A mid-late 1st, because no one's going to give an earlier pick. Maybe you'll have to pony up a late 2018 2nd on top of the 1st, but even then it's worth minimizing the risk by seeing how Martin will perform. And in the all-too-likely event he produces more like a mid-RB2, you'll be able to get him for a 2018 mid-2nd in two weeks.

[roseyknee]

Doug Martin (injury and suspension aside) is by far the most talented RB on that roster.

He was also the most talented RB on that roster last year when he was being outplayed by Rodgers. Realistically, its probably to late to try to buy Martin- the hypes been building since the offseason. If I owned him, I would sell for any 1st, but wouldn't pay more than a 2nd.

[TheRookiePro]

So. in your world then, Doug Martin, is worth a future 3rd round rookie pick? hmmm kay. It's a good thing you are on these forum threads. This site offers a lot of information and it looks to me that based on your comments, that - you have a bit to learn when it comes to value and dynasty. There comes a time when winning is important. Now (in the season) is that time for owners looking to contend.

Show me where I wrote that.

Doug Martin is DONE! He is 28, coming off of a suspension, and the previous year he averaged 2.9 yards per carry. He has always been inconsistent. I never bought into his hype. Even after his rookie season, he showed his inconsistency. He had 1 legendary fantasy game against the horrendous 2012 Raiders. And a handful of good/great games, the rest was mediocrity and just plain bad. Anyone who decided to hold onto him after his comeback 2015 season, it's your own fault.

I traded D. Murray and a 2019 3rd round pick last week for a 2019 1st round pick. I recognized that 75 yard TD run against Seattle as a moment to capitalize on. Doug Martin will probably have a few good games mixed in with crap this season, don't be fooled and allow a D. Martin owner to capitalize on your foolishness.

[Jfever]

You are allowed to have your opinion. As am I. Thus far, only a qtr and a few min into his return, he isn't looking DONE to me. Just the eyeball test though. He looks to be fresh, as he should. Running strong with good burst. At least that's what I'm seeing. That looked like a TD run to me... bad spot too. Anyway, sweet hard run and dive over line by Doug. To a contender that may be dealing with byes and injuries, (there's been a few ) Martin is easily worth a future 2nd.

[flashgordon12]

Doug Martin is DONE!

[steelman]

Doug Martin looks explosive so far.

[lukkynumber13]

I regret selling him

[Jfever]

What did you sell him for?