Who are the most talented RBs in the NFL right now?

[Valhalla]

Again, if any of you actually played football you would understand that jump cuts are more vision and quick twitch than anything else. Definitely not flexibility in your hips. Go do a jump cut in your front yard and tell me where you feel it instead of listening to a bloggers write up about cuts.

Umm false...

If you go out in your front yard and do a jump cut, and you AREN'T using your hips as the primary force absorber/mover, you're setting yourself up for injury rather quickly. That and your jump cut will lack explosiveness and will be rather less effective.

As you so arrogantly put it...again, if you actually studied any sort of biomechanics or athletic performance you would understand that optimal jump cuts are heavily reliant on hip flexibility.

[Phaded]

Any sort of quick change of direction requires proper hip movement, sports and even stuff like dancing.

Sure you can try sudden change of direction without using your hips, but you can also lift with your back and not your knees. Does not mean you should.

[Cult of Dionysus]

Most quick changes in direction requiring hip movement don't happen in sports or dancing...

[Valhalla]

Most quick changes in direction requiring hip movement don't happen in sports or dancing...

Bah-dum bum

[Seventy5]

i'm sorry but no it does not. when I refer to hips its the ability to change directions while running forward, if that makes any sense. jump cuts have very little to do with your hips.

At first when you said he had poor hips I just thought you hadn't seen DJ play at all and now I think it's more that you just don't know what jump cuts are, would you like to explain how jump cuts have very little to do with your hips?

PS here's a source for different kinds of cuts if you need a refresher: https://footballbeyondthestats.wordpres ... bs-part-2/

Nice source, a blogger lol.

Again, if any of you actually played football you would understand that jump cuts are more vision and quick twitch than anything else. Definitely not flexibility in your hips. Go do a jump cut in your front yard and tell me where you feel it instead of listening to a bloggers write up about cuts.

As someone who owns a sports performance/science/training company....I'll just say this: go watch some old tape of Brandon Jacobs, then watch some tape of Christian McCaffery....then tell me if you still think hips are not important in this case.

Things such a ground reaction forces, hip stability and range of motion, concentric hip power, lateral pelvic tilt/control, trunk rotation/timing, and many other things are very important here. Vision is also important, yes, but just seeing it doesn't mean your body can perform the movement powerfully or efficiently. Hip-extenion and/or triple extension are major keys in almost any powerful movement (cleans, snatches or other variations of olympic/power lifts...plyometrics...etc).

Also, "quick twitch" isn't really a thing; there are two types of skeletal muscular fibers: type-1 and type-2 (slow-twitch and fast-twitch). Quick-twitch is what you commonly hear sports broadcasters or casual gym goers misuse, kind of like most people using who and whom wrong... but people can figure out what is being said anyways.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Would anyone like to test my pelvic trunk extension?

[ImaRounder]

At first when you said he had poor hips I just thought you hadn't seen DJ play at all and now I think it's more that you just don't know what jump cuts are, would you like to explain how jump cuts have very little to do with your hips?

PS here's a source for different kinds of cuts if you need a refresher: https://footballbeyondthestats.wordpres ... bs-part-2/

Nice source, a blogger lol.

Again, if any of you actually played football you would understand that jump cuts are more vision and quick twitch than anything else. Definitely not flexibility in your hips. Go do a jump cut in your front yard and tell me where you feel it instead of listening to a bloggers write up about cuts.

As someone who owns a sports performance/science/training company....I'll just say this: go watch some old tape of Brandon Jacobs, then watch some tape of Christian McCaffery....then tell me if you still think hips are not important in this case.

Things such a ground reaction forces, hip stability and range of motion, concentric hip power, lateral pelvic tilt/control, trunk rotation/timing, and many other things are very important here. Vision is also important, yes, but just seeing it doesn't mean your body can perform the movement powerfully or efficiently. Hip-extenion and/or triple extension are major keys in almost any powerful movement (cleans, snatches or other variations of olympic/power lifts...plyometrics...etc).

Also, "quick twitch" isn't really a thing; there are two types of skeletal muscular fibers: type-1 and type-2 (slow-twitch and fast-twitch). Quick-twitch is what you commonly hear sports broadcasters or casual gym goers misuse, kind of like most people using who and whom wrong... but people can figure out what is being said anyways.

To the first bold, this is kind of what I was talking about. Leo and DJ are closer to Brandon Jacobs than mccaffrey in my opinion, when were strictly talking about hip flexibility.

This wasn't a jump cut discussion until someone brought it up, that's not was I referring to when I was knocking Leo and DJ for their hips. I'm talking about the pivot, change of direction, keeping your torso forward while moving their hips or vice versa to navigate through holes and in the open field.

And I'll defer to the expert here, those lifts are for strengthening not only your hips but core as well, correct? The flexibility comes a little from the lifts but not nearly as much as the power, correct?

[GridironGuerilla]

This thread got weird lol.

[lukkynumber13]

This thread got weird lol.

Haha, yeah it did.

[Snake]

Nobody mentioned Jordan Howard. Is the forum done with him already? I still like him in that 2nd tier with Gordon/Gurley/Freeman

[StableOfRBs]

Nobody mentioned Jordan Howard. Is the forum done with him already? I still like him in that 2nd tier with Gordon/Gurley/Freeman

Yeah but how are his hips?

[lukkynumber13]

Nobody mentioned Jordan Howard. Is the forum done with him already? I still like him in that 2nd tier with Gordon/Gurley/Freeman

He's closer to Jeremy Hill or Alfred Morris than he is to Gordon or Freeman, my opinion. He's a solid, good, workhorse back. But he's not special.

[GridironGuerilla]

Nobody mentioned Jordan Howard. Is the forum done with him already? I still like him in that 2nd tier with Gordon/Gurley/Freeman

Yeah but how are his hips?

[balaberda]

I am not drafting any RB unless I have his detailed hip metrics. I am fairly certain Paul Perkins only has one hip.

[StableOfRBs]

I am not drafting any RB unless I have his detailed hip metrics. I am fairly certain Paul Perkins only has one hip.

Paul Perkins wishes he had one hip, at this point I'm skeptical if he even has legs