The problem with Amari
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And now we will get to see what he does with EJ Manuel for 2-6 weeks.
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Re: The problem with Amari
His owners should be happy...now they can have another excuse built in for trying to get half of his overinflated value...
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Re: The problem with Amari
And when Carr comes back they'll still want his overinflated value because he will have "an elite QB throwing to him instead of EJ"flyersfan1981 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:01 pmHis owners should be happy...now they can have another excuse built in for trying to get half of his overinflated value...
The perpetual cycle will always continue. I'm hoping to buy low
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Re: The problem with Amari
Elite WRs dont have back to back no shows like Cooper just did. Frustrating to own. Way overvalued.
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Re: The problem with Amari
I would only buy from a panicking owner (mid/late 1st). I own him and will hold. Can't sell right now.
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Re: The problem with Amari
We are playing dynasty just be patient and ride out the bad times. Cooper is struggling now but I think he'll turn it around,after all he's 23.
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Re: The problem with Amari
This is where I sit on the issue. Is it frustrating? Yes. Should you sell low? No way. For comparison, he's younger than Parker, Doctson, Sheppard, Fuller, Mitchell, etc.Raymond1974 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:36 pm We are playing dynasty just be patient and ride out the bad times. Cooper is struggling now but I think he'll turn it around,after all he's 23.
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Re: The problem with Amari
Put on the tape from his rookie year and put on the tape now.
No progression.
No progression.
Re: The problem with Amari
Biggest thing is accept he is a wr2 at best and that won't change .. he is very over rated and buy as a Wr 2 not an elite wr which he is not
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Re: The problem with Amari
It's obvious this year is the bad times. Cooper is better than this years stats indicate, but at this point in his career, I doubt he ever turns into the top 5 guy that he was projected to be. I just don't think it's going to happen for him. There's too many holes in his game and he's had plenty of time to try to improve, but there has been none. At this point, I think Cooper is no better than a WR2 for fantasy purposesRaymond1974 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:36 pm We are playing dynasty just be patient and ride out the bad times. Cooper is struggling now but I think he'll turn it around,after all he's 23.
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Re: The problem with Amari
I'll add this thought.
The reason that I was so high on Cooper coming into this season is not primarily because of his Julio-upside (which he has; but, like most of the posters here, I highly doubt that he'll get there). Rather, IMO, he has the highest floor -- by FAR -- of any WR in the game. To have that locked in for a potential decade -- a WR2 at worst with WR1 probability and top-5 WR possibility -- is worth far more to me than someone with a better chance at the upside and far lower or riskier floor. As a first-round start-up pick, he fits the mold perfectly.
While his rough start casts some doubt about that high floor's value, I'll willingly hold off judging until the end of the season.
The reason that I was so high on Cooper coming into this season is not primarily because of his Julio-upside (which he has; but, like most of the posters here, I highly doubt that he'll get there). Rather, IMO, he has the highest floor -- by FAR -- of any WR in the game. To have that locked in for a potential decade -- a WR2 at worst with WR1 probability and top-5 WR possibility -- is worth far more to me than someone with a better chance at the upside and far lower or riskier floor. As a first-round start-up pick, he fits the mold perfectly.
While his rough start casts some doubt about that high floor's value, I'll willingly hold off judging until the end of the season.
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Re: The problem with Amari
Didn't cooper also have a terrible finish to last year as well ? It not like it's just this year only but most of his production was the first part of last year just very frustrating to own and I love the guy but he just doesn't deliver
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Re: The problem with Amari
His upside is nowhere near Julio Jones. He's shown nothing to suggest he has top 5 upside. He's not a target hog and not a major redzone threat. And how is his floor higher than OBJ, Green, Brown, Julio, Hopkins, etc? Some of those guys have floors on par with Cooper's ceiling.moishetreats wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:30 am I'll add this thought.
The reason that I was so high on Cooper coming into this season is not primarily because of his Julio-upside (which he has; but, like most of the posters here, I highly doubt that he'll get there). Rather, IMO, he has the highest floor -- by FAR -- of any WR in the game. To have that locked in for a potential decade -- a WR2 at worst with WR1 probability and top-5 WR possibility -- is worth far more to me than someone with a better chance at the upside and far lower or riskier floor. As a first-round start-up pick, he fits the mold perfectly.
While his rough start casts some doubt about that high floor's value, I'll willingly hold off judging until the end of the season.
You don't draft a WR2 in the first round of a startup, IMO, even if they are 23 YO. Jarvis Landry in the 2nd is a better pick than Amari Cooper in the 1st--and Jarvis Landry in the 2nd is a bad pick.
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Re: The problem with Amari
Yes.
A lot of people are saying it is only 4 games or a rough start to the year.
Over the last 13 games he has played, he has less than 500 yards which means he is averaging less than 38 yards per game for what is close to a season of games.
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Re: The problem with Amari
W......T.......F!!!!!!!moishetreats wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:30 am I'll add this thought.
The reason that I was so high on Cooper coming into this season is not primarily because of his Julio-upside (which he has; but, like most of the posters here, I highly doubt that he'll get there). Rather, IMO, he has the highest floor -- by FAR -- of any WR in the game. To have that locked in for a potential decade -- a WR2 at worst with WR1 probability and top-5 WR possibility -- is worth far more to me than someone with a better chance at the upside and far lower or riskier floor. As a first-round start-up pick, he fits the mold perfectly.
While his rough start casts some doubt about that high floor's value, I'll willingly hold off judging until the end of the season.
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