Rookie benchmarks for stardom/usefulness

General talk about Dynasty Leagues.
slaughterrt
Hall of Fame
Hall of Fame
Posts: 4537
Joined: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:11 pm

Re: Rookie benchmarks for stardom/usefulness

Postby slaughterrt » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:33 am

I wouldn't say there's a statistical benchmark that you can use effectively. What I like to see is increased useage, week to week. To me, this shows that there is a building trust between the QB and WR. If the QB is looking for the WR when the bleep hits the fan, and giving him opportunities to make plays, then I think this shows that the QB has faith in the WR.

Now I suppose this doesn't translate in the WR becoming a stud. However, I think that the relationship between the QB and the WR is an integral part of the WR becoming successful.

User avatar
Ryantacular
Player of the Year
Player of the Year
Posts: 2029
Joined: Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:15 am

Re: Rookie benchmarks for stardom/usefulness

Postby Ryantacular » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:57 am

Kcarr wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:31 pm Green's numbers are an okay benchmark but Zeke had 1994 scrimmage yards and 16 TDs. I think that is a solid benchmark for RBs.

Randy Moss had 1313 and 17 TDs. Seems like a decent WR benchmark :)
"okay benchmark"?

Terrible benchmark, because they're record breaking stats for a WR in his first few years.

You need to set the bar a lot lower.

Seems a bunch of new dynasty owners in here with not much historical experience except maybe the 2014 draft,

User avatar
Valhalla
Legend
Legend
Posts: 5399
Joined: Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:26 pm

Re: Rookie benchmarks for stardom/usefulness

Postby Valhalla » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:14 am

Reljac wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:57 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:48 pm For WR's, I don't really set statistical benchmarks for rookie production. It's more about certain skills I look for/prefer. You could have a 500 yard season and still flashed enough as a rookie.
Agree with Cameron Giles

I'd say be careful with benchmarks based on WR rookie years. Need to pay more attention to how they do it. You'd miss out on some great players on yards or reception benchmarks.
Antonio Brown 16r 167yds as a rookie
Calvin Johnson 48r 758yds as a rookie
Terrell Owens 35r 520yds as a rookie
Chad 'Ocho Cinco' Johnson 28r 329yds as a rookie
Reggie Wayne 27r 345 yds
Vincent Jackson 3r 59yds
Fitzgerald 58r 780yds
I was going to respond in the same manner. Agree with this thought.
Also add Jordy to that list

User avatar
Dynasty DeLorean
Degenerate
Degenerate
Posts: 8924
Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:45 am

Re: Rookie benchmarks for stardom/usefulness

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:30 am

I think DT, Brandon Marshall, roddy white too. Need to check that but pretty sure.

User avatar
Reljac
Captain
Captain
Posts: 752
Joined: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:57 am
Location: Charlotte, NC

Re: Rookie benchmarks for stardom/usefulness

Postby Reljac » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:49 am

Definitely Roddy white, he was on my mind, but I totally blanked on his name when I was typing up the list.
12-team Non-PPR QB, 2-RB, 3-WR, TE, K, DEF
QB: Herbert, Tanny
RB: Chubb, Stevenson, AJ Dillion
WR: AJ Brown, M Evans, M Williams, D London, C Olave, Jameson Williams, M Thomas
TE: D Njoku
K: Butker


2023: 1.01, 2.01
2024 early first, late first

AZK
Pro Bowler
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1304
Joined: Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:30 pm

Re: Rookie benchmarks for stardom/usefulness

Postby AZK » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:52 am

Ryantacular wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:57 am
Kcarr wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:31 pm Green's numbers are an okay benchmark but Zeke had 1994 scrimmage yards and 16 TDs. I think that is a solid benchmark for RBs.

Randy Moss had 1313 and 17 TDs. Seems like a decent WR benchmark :)
"okay benchmark"?

Terrible benchmark, because they're record breaking stats for a WR in his first few years.

You need to set the bar a lot lower.

Seems a bunch of new dynasty owners in here with not much historical experience except maybe the 2014 draft,
Eh....I think it was a joke.
Ainslie-Rachlin Law, "Our decisions... are guided by the perceived values at the moment of the decision - not by the potential final value."

onetwothree
Pro Bowler
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1498
Joined: Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:49 am

Re: Rookie benchmarks for stardom/usefulness

Postby onetwothree » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:04 pm

Looking for a specific number might not be the best way to approach it. Maybe look at it from the opposite end and find the bare minimum guys do in their rookie seasons (excluding injuries) before going on to be stars. Like Treadwell getting just the 1 catch is not a good sign. Need context so you might be better off looking at something like reception perception and if these guys are winning on their routes.

User avatar
Hottoddies
Player of the Year
Player of the Year
Posts: 2313
Joined: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:29 pm

Re: Rookie benchmarks for stardom/usefulness

Postby Hottoddies » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:13 pm

Michael Clayton totaled 80 receptions for 1,193 yards and 7 touchdowns in his rookie year for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2004. Is that the kind of benchmark you were looking for? As Benjamin Disraeli once said, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics".
"Smart people learn from everything and everyone, average people from their experiences, stupid people already have all the answers." - Socrates

User avatar
Ryantacular
Player of the Year
Player of the Year
Posts: 2029
Joined: Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:15 am

Re: Rookie benchmarks for stardom/usefulness

Postby Ryantacular » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:25 am

Neight wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:52 am
Ryantacular wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:57 am
Kcarr wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:31 pm Green's numbers are an okay benchmark but Zeke had 1994 scrimmage yards and 16 TDs. I think that is a solid benchmark for RBs.

Randy Moss had 1313 and 17 TDs. Seems like a decent WR benchmark :)
"okay benchmark"?

Terrible benchmark, because they're record breaking stats for a WR in his first few years.

You need to set the bar a lot lower.

Seems a bunch of new dynasty owners in here with not much historical experience except maybe the 2014 draft,
Eh....I think it was a joke.
You're right lol. Sorry. I stopped readin after I read that aj green benchmark part. If I would have read the rest I would have been able to tell. 😂


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ahrefs [Bot], Bing [Bot], Farley, Google [Bot] and 130 guests