Todd Gurley thoughts?

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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:41 am

I just realized who he reminds me of. I see alot of DMC in his running. Statlines also reminding me of DMC. He had the great year, lots of terrible years, that even when healthy his YPC was weak. Goes to Dallas and does well behind a great line. Both RB's though seem to run with drive but neither seem to have the patience or vision to really see what's happening. Neither have that lateral ability to side step and fire back up to full speed immediately like AP, McCoy, Zeke, Lynch. Both DMC and Gurley need a hole opened up, WHERE IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE, if they are to have success.

Feel free to disagree it's just a comparison I thought of that made sense to me.

I sold Gurley under value before season so I'm obviously worried about him and "biased"
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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Goddard » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:32 am

The catches and yards were a positive, but the ypc are still very concerning. This also may have been the worst team they play all year.

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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Plank » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:38 am

Haven't watched all the games yet, but IND are certainly on the worst team list so far ..
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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby maxhyde » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:16 am

Gurley wasn't overly impressive. However Goff did well enough against IND alive with quick passing that if teams feel Goff has improved and can beat them in the pass game they may back off run blitzing nearly every play.
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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Cleats » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:50 am

I see some comments on his vision, patience and inability to burst out of an unplanned step. This is something ive agreed with ever since his college injury.

Does he have the ability to make something out of nothing? He does, but he doesn't do it nearly often enough like the elites do. His college injury does seem to of sapped some of his sudden 0-60 burst the elite backs have, but it's not the end of the world. Unless you think hes a top 5 franchise rb.

Hes a good NFL running back with a bad line. Not a good combo. If you have a good but not elite rb you need an above avg line, which they do not have and likely wont for some time. There are many out there still willing to play top dollar for him, if i had him on any teams i'd very much sell for market value.

The new offense is going to keep him afloat in ppr leagues and good for his overall usage because he does have some pass catching chops.

Overall if i have a great rb1 im ok with him as my 2.

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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby IBall2 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:22 pm

If you're going to try and sell him, I would wait until after week 3 or 4. He has good matchups right now but has a tough stretch in the middle of the season that could cause a lot more worries.

Right now I have him as my RB2 behind Fournette but I might try packaging him + something else to upgrade while his value is stable.

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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:36 pm

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In the PFF Podcast previews, Sam brought up an interesting point that I have been mulling over .. he compared RB to what we have talked about QBs in early development, meaning how many postulate a young QB can be ruined with intensive pressure early in their careers, seeing Ghosts phenomena ..

So the idea is if a RB can't trust that the holes or cut backs will be there, they will never be able to follow a play design always feeling they will have to create on their own .. and some get frustrated and just try to use power and force their way ... It was an interesting thought because at this level you cannot afford any hesitation, the athletes are too good .. so, with this theory a RB doesn't trust the OL, play design, he hesitates just enough, athletes swarm him consistently and we see a bad player .. So can a RB see ghosts if traumatized early in the careers? Some food for thought ...
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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Vcize » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:52 pm

I agree with a lot of what's been said here. There is something going on. Maybe mental, maybe the injury made him a different player. He definitely doesn't seem to be a fiery, aggressive runner. Either way he's a long ways from what we were all hoping for when he came out.

The O-line excuse is a weak one. This is a guy that was supposed to be situation proof. Adrian Peterson played behind some miserable lines in his career and he always produced. That is what people were hoping for with this guy but he is so far removed from that it doesn't even seem reasonable to hope for in a best case scenario anymore.

He looks like an average NFL RB. He'll get 3 yards when there are 3 yards there, 5 yards when there are 5 yards, and 0 yards when there are 0. But he's not the guy turning 0 yard runs into 3 yard runs and 5 yard runs into 50 yard runs.

I'll probably take a lot of flack for this but he kind of reminds me of late career Cedric Benson. Can handle a big workload and pretty much gets what is blocked and then falls over. Benson was able to put together some decent fantasy seasons in that role, as I expect Gurley to as well, but he doesn't look like a guy that can be that really elite fantasy option anymore.
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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:36 pm

Phaded wrote:
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He is just not that great to be honest, but I have always had that opinion. I am surprised more people do not see it yet and continue to blame everyone but Gurley. The fact remains his vision and patience are awful.

Although his fantasy value might be salvaged with his newly found involvement in the passing game.

An RB2/FLEX at best.
I'm still waiting to see if that's the case. To me, time has to be given for McVay's offense. Their scheme has to overcome the lack of run-blocking talent they have on their offensive line. Jeff Fisher was tasked with the same thing, but he just didn't have the offensive minds to come up with a solution.

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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Cameron Giles » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:52 pm

Interesting that Brian Baldinger (NFL Films) agrees with some of the sentiment in this thread:

"He has no vision...I watched all 18 of his carries yesterday. No jump cuts; no special qualities"

Still being cautious, but definitely going to try and watch Rams games a little closer this season.

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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:22 pm

I watched every play of the Rams Colts game, and as has already been said on here, he had NO room to run. He actually looked good to me tho, the few times he had a little crease. I was honestly encouraged coming away from week 1 film.
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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Slackalacker » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:40 am

Vcize wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:52 pm
I agree with a lot of what's been said here. There is something going on. Maybe mental, maybe the injury made him a different player. He definitely doesn't seem to be a fiery, aggressive runner. Either way he's a long ways from what we were all hoping for when he came out.

The O-line excuse is a weak one. This is a guy that was supposed to be situation proof. Adrian Peterson played behind some miserable lines in his career and he always produced. That is what people were hoping for with this guy but he is so far removed from that it doesn't even seem reasonable to hope for in a best case scenario anymore.

He looks like an average NFL RB. He'll get 3 yards when there are 3 yards there, 5 yards when there are 5 yards, and 0 yards when there are 0. But he's not the guy turning 0 yard runs into 3 yard runs and 5 yard runs into 50 yard runs.

I'll probably take a lot of flack for this but he kind of reminds me of late career Cedric Benson. Can handle a big workload and pretty much gets what is blocked and then falls over. Benson was able to put together some decent fantasy seasons in that role, as I expect Gurley to as well, but he doesn't look like a guy that can be that really elite fantasy option anymore.
I think the point it has come down to is we found out he ISNT situation proof.

He can't carry a team on his back like AP. That's obvious based on last year alone, unless he makes dramatic steps in strength/agility/vision down the road. As of right now he's a complimentary workhorse RB that a team tried to use as the centerpiece of their offense and it failed. That's now being changed, and when the offense becomes more passing-centered I see gurley returning to putting up big numbers.

He may not be AP, but honestly which backs in the NFL can you put behind a horrible line and expect them to have amazing careers? I don't even think Zeke/DJ could do that. Maybe Bell but even he has his games.
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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby rubber_duck » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:24 am

No player is situation proof.

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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Jpalladino91 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:27 am

rubber_duck wrote:
Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:24 am
No player is situation proof.
Don't tell Tom Brady that.
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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Phaded » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:33 pm

rubber_duck wrote:
Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:24 am
No player is situation proof.
Absolutely, but the truly special players can still perform well even in poor situations, maybe not at an elite level - but still more than respectably.

All I consistently see from Gurley fans is excuses and there is a lot more evidence on the table that the problem with Gurley is not just the situation, but a lot lies on Gurley himself.

Someone above mentioned DJ - last year, the Rams offensive line was ranked 27th. The Cardinals were ranked 26th.

Even Melvin Gordon, who a lot of people knock - the Chargers line was ranked 31st; yet people still want to say Gordon is not good. Yet, Gurley still gets the benefit of the doubt for what reason? Because he broke off a few big runs in his rookie year?
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