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Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby JoshGordonsDealer » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:47 pm

I haven't been able to see the game. Gurley is having a decent day of fantasy, but his actual stats seem rough. Is it him? The O-line? The offense in general?
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Postby Cowboysfan33 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:58 pm

JoshGordonsDealer wrote:
Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:47 pm
I haven't been able to see the game. Gurley is having a decent day of fantasy, but his actual stats seem rough. Is it him? The O-line? The offense in general?
I've been in an out on that game, mainly watching the Seahawks-Pack but from what I've seen he hasn't had a lot of room to run. Also, Goff has looked good to me when I was watching but the Colts are pretty bad, especially with Davis out at CB.

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Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:03 pm

Run-blocking still isn't good. But, they're finding ways to get him involved in the pass game.

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Postby BuckeyeNation » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:33 pm

Still disappointing to see that Gurley can't get anything going running the ball. The bright side is that with Dunbar injured and Cunningham gone, Gurley will again keep his PPR value afloat due to usage in the passing game and overall volume. If Goff starts to have some success than that may open things up for Gurley, but for a RB that many of us deemed to be a generational stud it's still a let down that we're relying on sheer volume alone to keep him fantasy relevant....At least for now.
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Postby Slackalacker » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:53 pm

BuckeyeNation wrote:
Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:33 pm
Still disappointing to see that Gurley can't get anything going running the ball. The bright side is that with Dunbar injured and Cunningham gone, Gurley will again keep his PPR value afloat due to usage in the passing game and overall volume. If Goff starts to have some success than that may open things up for Gurley, but for a RB that many of us deemed to be a generational stud it's still a let down that we're relying on sheer volume alone to keep him fantasy relevant....At least for now.
x2 on Goff playing a big part in Gurleys future success. If he proves he can throw the ball in the next few games maybe Ds lighten up on a Gurley allowing him to get some better looks. But with his overall volume he will still be a viable asset, just not an offensive powerhouse.
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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Shcritters » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:55 pm

There were numerous negative runs where people met him in the backfield as soon as he was handed the ball. I do like that he is getting involved in the passing game... that could salvage some bad days on the ground.

And yes, glad to see the Rams offense being effective as a whole. They have some gelling to do, but already looking more promising than last year.
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Postby Phaded » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:00 pm

He is just not that great to be honest, but I have always had that opinion. I am surprised more people do not see it yet and continue to blame everyone but Gurley. The fact remains his vision and patience are awful.

Although his fantasy value might be salvaged with his newly found involvement in the passing game.

An RB2/FLEX at best.
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Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:03 pm

Phaded wrote:
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The fact remains his vision and patience are awful.
I've always thought that as well, however he does have some good attributes too. Good jump cut, good speed, a load to bring down once he gets up to speed. All that said, it has to be a LITTLE concerning. I mean, the Colts are awful.

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Postby FiremanEd » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:32 pm

Phaded wrote:
Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:00 pm
He is just not that great to be honest, but I have always had that opinion. I am surprised more people do not see it yet and continue to blame everyone but Gurley. The fact remains his vision and patience are awful.

Although his fantasy value might be salvaged with his newly found involvement in the passing game.

An RB2/FLEX at best.
I too have not been impressed by him for the majority of his NFL career. I wasn't in love with him coming out, but I could see the appeal. Seemed like he had a lot of attributes but it wasn't as special as people made it seem. I do agree he could use better blocking, but there is more to it than that.

Maybe he turns it around as the team improves. Maybe he doesn't. Sometimes people don't see it, or choose to ignore it, until it is too late. One way or another he should be doing more. He scares the crap out of me for his value.

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Postby Friction » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:22 pm

Remember that break out game his rookie year against the Cards? He was so much faster to the edge than everybody else and he just seemed to have a gear nobody else could match. What happened? It's not like the Rams were good then.
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Postby dm1129 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:30 pm

Friction wrote:
Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:22 pm
Remember that break out game his rookie year against the Cards? He was so much faster to the edge than everybody else and he just seemed to have a gear nobody else could match. What happened? It's not like the Rams were good then.
This is what stood out to me today. There were plays where I thought he was about to kick it into the next gear and that gear never happened. Very strange.

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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Cowboysfan33 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:36 pm

To me, it almost looks like he knows that there's not going to be a hole most of the time, so he just runs right into the pile, lol, seriously I'm not sure what's up with him. His final line was good but the parts of the game that I saw, he didn't have very many good runs, at least not what I was expecting, especially against the Colts.

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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby joeday » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:38 am

Shcritters wrote:
Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:55 pm
There were numerous negative runs where people met him in the backfield as soon as he was handed the ball. I do like that he is getting involved in the passing game... that could salvage some bad days on the ground.

And yes, glad to see the Rams offense being effective as a whole. They have some gelling to do, but already looking more promising than last year.
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Postby Reljac » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:59 am

Give this time. Goff is improved this year, the WRs are improved, and McShay's offense demonstrated it can and will move the ball around... 4guys got 5-6 targets. Good news is one of those were Gurley. Defenses aren't going to be able to keep stacking the box week after week if the Rams just put the ball over their heads. No magic O-line improvement was going to fix this, but improved WR & QB and offensive scheme definitely could
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Re: Todd Gurley thoughts?

Postby Plank » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:09 am

In the PFF Podcast previews, Sam brought up an interesting point that I have been mulling over .. he compared RB to what we have talked about QBs in early development, meaning how many postulate a young QB can be ruined with intensive pressure early in their careers, seeing Ghosts phenomena ..

So the idea is if a RB can't trust that the holes or cut backs will be there, they will never be able to follow a play design always feeling they will have to create on their own .. and some get frustrated and just try to use power and force their way ... It was an interesting thought because at this level you cannot afford any hesitation, the athletes are too good .. so, with this theory a RB doesn't trust the OL, play design, he hesitates just enough, athletes swarm him consistently and we see a bad player .. So can a RB see ghosts if traumatized early in the careers? Some food for thought ...

I think he still possesses the rare speed/size combo .. but it is terribly frustrating that we may never see him put it together .. there were some plays in the last game where the edge wasn't sealed and we could see a glimmer when he used his speed and power on the outside of what we expected to see ..

This is certainly a case study .. I think there is a chance with well blocked schemes by McVay could help him, I think there is a bit of hope ..
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