Saquon Barkley official thread

[maxhyde]

I am with those analysts...just looks like he is a different level athlete and football player

[GridironGuerilla]

All I know is these 2 top backs next year better not be the disappointments that Fournette and Cook were this year.

I'm curious what your feelings are on these two now that we've actually seen them play?

[KCLep20]

After that performance, Barkely should sit out the rest of the year and he'd still be a top 5 pick.

[juke05]

He is an absolute stud...This stop on a dime run and this hurdle run show that he is on another level. He seems to have an elite combination of speed, power, balance, quickness, vision, and whatever else you might want in a RB.

Now the way-too-early question is...where do you think will he land in the draft? I'm guessing he goes top 10. Assuming teams like the Jets/Browns/49ers are possibly looking at QB, and several bad teams are already set at RB (Chargers, Bengals, Dolphins, Bears) that leaves some options such as Bills, Ravens, Colts, Giants, Texans, and Saints.

I still think he is an easy choice for the 1.01 no matter where he lands though.

[Friction]

He goes to the Bills. Their plan all along with an aging Shady and only Tolbert behind him. Then they either roll with Peterman and Saquan, or package one or more of their 2nds and 3rds with KC's low first to move up and grab one of the qbs who falls in the first rd. Theere may be nearly a half dozen going in the first/early 2nd next year.

[dynastyninja]

He is an absolute stud...This stop on a dime run and this hurdle run show that he is on another level. He seems to have an elite combination of speed, power, balance, quickness, vision, and whatever else you might want in a RB.

Now the way-too-early question is...where do you think will he land in the draft? I'm guessing he goes top 10. Assuming teams like the Jets/Browns/49ers are possibly looking at QB, and several bad teams are already set at RB (Chargers, Bengals, Dolphins, Bears) that leaves some options such as Bills, Ravens, Colts, Giants, Texans, and Saints.

I still think he is an easy choice for the 1.01 no matter where he lands though.

that first link is incredible

[Unicorn92]

He is an absolute stud...This stop on a dime run and this hurdle run show that he is on another level. He seems to have an elite combination of speed, power, balance, quickness, vision, and whatever else you might want in a RB.

Now the way-too-early question is...where do you think will he land in the draft? I'm guessing he goes top 10. Assuming teams like the Jets/Browns/49ers are possibly looking at QB, and several bad teams are already set at RB (Chargers, Bengals, Dolphins, Bears) that leaves some options such as Bills, Ravens, Colts, Giants, Texans, and Saints.

I still think he is an easy choice for the 1.01 no matter where he lands though.

I think to three destinations: Ravens, Eagles or Giants

Ravens mustnot be glad for dixon and should move from him next year.

Eagles well this is obvious smallwood will have his chance to prove he can be the guy but the fact the eagles wanted badly cooks makes me wonder what they really think about him. Clement is just a guy.

Giants would be probably the most horrible in term of fantasy for him with their pathetic oline but giants have nobody at the position and even if they improve ther oline perkins and others are not really good. That said giants shoud go qb first so

[Jason]

If Andrew Luck never gets right this season the Colts could easily be in the mix as well to snag him. Gore is a free agent at the end of the year.

[Cameron Giles]

I think he ends up on the Browns. And behind that offensive line...

[DLF3000]

All I know is these 2 top backs next year better not be the disappointments that Fournette and Cook were this year.

I'm curious what your feelings are on these two now that we've actually seen them play?

Pre-combine, pre-draft, it was definitely either Cook 1.01 or Fournette for me. (CMC actually went 1.01.) Then, like I said, the combine and draft happened so I soured on them like plenty of folks, which isn't unreasonable.

Fast forward...

With Cook, things happened quickly in August and early September, well after our 1st round draft. Basically, he became their clear starter by regular season's start, and that wasn't as clear before. Add in the whole Vikings offense playing way, way above expectations so far - no matter who the QB is apparently, which is stunning.

Cook is tough for me to swallow, because I would have drafted him 1.02 knowing he'd be "the man" come September. All the middling dynasty teams look to have scored big around the 1.05-.07 range with Cook or Hunt, a place in round 1 that isn't historically "bank" for stud RBs. It's where I've burned myself on busts like Yeldon in the past.

Typical draft madness... truth is sometimes you go for your guy, sometimes you hit, sometimes you bust hard. I didn't have enough info to feel good about taking Cook at 1.02 in May, but here we are now and he's definitely the dual-threat workhorse I'd been desperate for for years. (But c'mon, Keenum? Really? How??)

As for Fournette, Richardson comes to mind - another one of my epic RB draft bust picks in the early or mid-1st. They're force feeding him on one of the historically worst teams/franchises in the league captained by a bad, or at best, Jekyll and Hyde QB. Maybe he doesn't suddenly start to suck after a good rookie year like Richardson - if he does, it'd be because of his history of lower body injuries - but unlike Cook, I'm not as upset about missing here. Risk just seems significantly higher compared to Cook.

I want to say that these two guys (and Hunt) have taught me to ignore a bad or incomplete combine sometimes. The real question is... which times? There's no discernible pattern - especially with RBs. Instead... chaos. Unfortunately, it's starting to feel like the more I analyze these guys, the less I learn about who the best one is to draft.

All this said... I'm on the "100% rebuild" plan and definitely focused on that 1.01 and Barkley in '18. My 'backs are awful, but to me, are the only missing link on my team for a big 2018 rebound with three picks in the first two rounds.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

It's where I've burned myself on busts like Yeldon in the past.

Typical draft madness... truth is sometimes you go for your guy, sometimes you hit, sometimes you bust hard.

I want to say that these two guys (and Hunt) have taught me to ignore a bad or incomplete combine sometimes. The real question is... which times? There's no discernible pattern - especially with RBs. Instead... chaos. Unfortunately, it's starting to feel like the more I analyze these guys, the less I learn about who the best one is to draft.

The thing is, you never know if you're getting Trent Richardson or Melvin Gordon. Dalvin Cook or TJ Yeldon. That's why it's the smart move (in my opinion) to stay away from RB's of that caliber for that amount of draft capital. I mean Melvin Gordon really isn't all that different from Trent Richardson. The only difference I see is that the Chargers are sticking with Gordon (probably b/c they can't find anyone stupid enough to trade a 1st for him) and the Browns were able to bail on Trent. Similar yards, td's, efficiency. There's just so much randomness that we can't account for. You have to trust whatever process you think makes sense and stick to it. You're going to have hits and misses, that's just the nature of the game. In the end you just need to keep taking high percentage shots in order to hit more than the average dynasty player and miss less than the average dynasty player and you'll be successful.

Back to Barkley, he sure does look good. He looks how everyone described what Dalvin Cook looked like.

[jcc6fd]

As for Fournette, Richardson comes to mind - another one of my epic RB draft bust picks in the early or mid-1st. They're force feeding him on one of the historically worst teams/franchises in the league captained by a bad, or at best, Jekyll and Hyde QB. Maybe he doesn't suddenly start to suck after a good rookie year like Richardson - if he does, it'd be because of his history of lower body injuries - but unlike Cook, I'm not as upset about missing here. Risk just seems significantly higher compared to Cook.

Wait, what? You're quitting on Fournette after 3 games. 2 of which he looked pretty good and in the 3rd they didn't need him? Geeze people get so impatient once the regular season starts?

[ImaRounder]

Draft talent. That's why I took fournette and cook 1,2 in May. Saquan could legit be the number one pick next year. Cody Rosen is my number one qb. Only time will tell who gets the number one pick, but if Cleveland does, saquan will go number one.

[Seventy5]

As for Fournette, Richardson comes to mind - another one of my epic RB draft bust picks in the early or mid-1st. They're force feeding him on one of the historically worst teams/franchises in the league captained by a bad, or at best, Jekyll and Hyde QB. Maybe he doesn't suddenly start to suck after a good rookie year like Richardson - if he does, it'd be because of his history of lower body injuries - but unlike Cook, I'm not as upset about missing here. Risk just seems significantly higher compared to Cook.

Wait, what? You're quitting on Fournette after 3 games. 2 of which he looked pretty good and in the 3rd they didn't need him? Geeze people get so impatient once the regular season starts?

I'll assume he hasn't watched the full Jags games after that comment, because stats aside, Fournette has looked like he best rookie RB on tape to me so far this season. The others just have far better situations right now and it's leading to fantasy production/hype.

[KCLep20]

It's where I've burned myself on busts like Yeldon in the past.

Typical draft madness... truth is sometimes you go for your guy, sometimes you hit, sometimes you bust hard.

I want to say that these two guys (and Hunt) have taught me to ignore a bad or incomplete combine sometimes. The real question is... which times? There's no discernible pattern - especially with RBs. Instead... chaos. Unfortunately, it's starting to feel like the more I analyze these guys, the less I learn about who the best one is to draft.

The thing is, you never know if you're getting Trent Richardson or Melvin Gordon. Dalvin Cook or TJ Yeldon. That's why it's the smart move (in my opinion) to stay away from RB's of that caliber for that amount of draft capital. I mean Melvin Gordon really isn't all that different from Trent Richardson. The only difference I see is that the Chargers are sticking with Gordon (probably b/c they can't find anyone stupid enough to trade a 1st for him) and the Browns were able to bail on Trent. Similar yards, td's, efficiency. There's just so much randomness that we can't account for. You have to trust whatever process you think makes sense and stick to it. You're going to have hits and misses, that's just the nature of the game. In the end you just need to keep taking high percentage shots in order to hit more than the average dynasty player and miss less than the average dynasty player and you'll be successful.

Back to Barkley, he sure does look good. He looks how everyone described what Dalvin Cook looked like.

I'll take the opposite approach here. Moving up to draft a RB is usually cheaper than trying to acquire a stud RB (at least in my league) so it's worth it for me to move up and take chances on guys. Sure, I've missed on Ryan Mathews and Gio to some extent, but I seem to have hit on Gurley and hopefully do on Mixon. The goal is to always solidify the rest of your team with talent at QB/WR and then have that RB be the last 1 or 2 pieces to build a juggernaut.

It takes foresight and some luck to accomplish, but trading for picks a year before can put you in a favorable spot, as well as trading guys at their peaks before the fall.