Christian McCaffrey Thread: CMC Extension
Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
I think he splits carries with Stewart most of this season so they both have fresh legs all year long but if he shows well throughout the season, I think CAR makes him the feature back next season and lets Stewart take a back seat. But I'm thinking 150-180 rushes with 50-70 targets for his rookie season.
They just spent a top 10 pick on him, I don't think they will turn around next season and spend another high draft pick on an early down RB to replace Stewart if CMC shows well.
They just spent a top 10 pick on him, I don't think they will turn around next season and spend another high draft pick on an early down RB to replace Stewart if CMC shows well.
Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
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Absolutely not a gimmick... this kid is special...
My caution would be that even if JStew leaves soon, Carolina will bring in another RB to keep the carries low for each...
That said, even 2 RB's shouldn't devalue CMC much, since he's involved in so many aspects of the offense... He's going to be super fun to watch!
I hold the 1.01, and even though I just can't bring myself to pass on Fournette, if I had the 1.02/03/04, he would be my target...
Absolutely not a gimmick... this kid is special...
My caution would be that even if JStew leaves soon, Carolina will bring in another RB to keep the carries low for each...
That said, even 2 RB's shouldn't devalue CMC much, since he's involved in so many aspects of the offense... He's going to be super fun to watch!
I hold the 1.01, and even though I just can't bring myself to pass on Fournette, if I had the 1.02/03/04, he would be my target...
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Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
My fear with CMac, is that I drafted Gio with high hopes and they brought in a power back the very next year. Gio has been serviceable, but he will never be the true bellcow which you need to be an RB1. Once JStew retires or moves on, how surprised would anyone be if the Panthers brought in a power back in the 2nd/3rd rd next year?
CMac is very talented, but I'm not sure I see 20 carries a game, which limits him to a RB2 most likely, even in PPR.
CMac is very talented, but I'm not sure I see 20 carries a game, which limits him to a RB2 most likely, even in PPR.
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Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
Granted, it wasn't a Top 10 pick, but the Bengals drafted Jeremy Hill in the 2nd round a year after taking Gio in the second. It's very, very possible. McCaffrey to me is a weapon rather than an RB who can establish a ground game consistently between the tackles.IBall2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:32 am I think he splits carries with Stewart most of this season so they both have fresh legs all year long but if he shows well throughout the season, I think CAR makes him the feature back next season and lets Stewart take a back seat. But I'm thinking 150-180 rushes with 50-70 targets for his rookie season.
They just spent a top 10 pick on him, I don't think they will turn around next season and spend another high draft pick on an early down RB to replace Stewart if CMC shows well.
Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
What does McCaffery have to do with Gio? Sounds a bit anecdotal. I could just as well point to Jamaal Charles as a comp.KCLep20 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:23 am My fear with CMac, is that I drafted Gio with high hopes and they brought in a power back the very next year. Gio has been serviceable, but he will never be the true bellcow which you need to be an RB1. Once JStew retires or moves on, how surprised would anyone be if the Panthers brought in a power back in the 2nd/3rd rd next year?
CMac is very talented, but I'm not sure I see 20 carries a game, which limits him to a RB2 most likely, even in PPR.
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Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
It seems like a lot of people dont think he can handle a full work load. Is that because of his size? He seems to be one of those super elusive compact backs that fall into this size/weight category. He's listed at 5'11", 205 lbs. Jamaal Charles is a good comp for his size 5'11", 199. Barry Sanders 5'8", 200 lbs. Melvin Gordon 6'0", 208 lbs. Dalvin Cook 6'0", 209 lbs. No one seems to think they can't/couldn't do it.
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Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
Jamaal Charles is a lot faster than him at 4.38. He's also an anomaly. Even then, he's torn his ACL twice and needed to get his meniscus trimmed last season. He's handled the workload, but it hasn't been without durability problems.RAB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:14 am It seems like a lot of people dont think he can handle a full work load. Is that because of his size? He seems to be one of those super elusive compact backs that fall into this size/weight category. He's listed at 5'11", 205 lbs. Jamaal Charles is a good comp for his size 5'11", 199. Barry Sanders 5'8", 200 lbs. Melvin Gordon 6'0", 208 lbs. Dalvin Cook 6'0", 209 lbs. No one seems to think they can't/couldn't do it.
If we look at BMI, their bodies and strength are not necessarily the same:
Gordon - 14th percentile BMI, 19 bench press
Cook - 49th percentile BMI, 22 bench press
McCaffrey - 9th percentile BMI, 10 bench press
Granted, something as simple as a bench press isn't indicative of NFL success, but it is indicative of upper body strength, which is crucial to handle a big workload.
Charles is similar, but I don't think their games are similar at all and I wouldn't bet on him to become him.
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Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
I love CMC's game but if they use him on returns too that may be dangerous. His success has been more with quickness and speed than with power.
It will be interesting to see how well he handles dings and tweaks. He seems to be pretty tough and could play through them but how much quickness and speed will minor injuries take away? I'm pulling for him though...
It will be interesting to see how well he handles dings and tweaks. He seems to be pretty tough and could play through them but how much quickness and speed will minor injuries take away? I'm pulling for him though...
Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
Does he have a history with injuries? I haven't done any research on this aspect of CMC but I haven't heard any negatives about injuries like we have from Fournette.AzTheCrow wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:23 am I love CMC's game but if they use him on returns too that may be dangerous. His success has been more with quickness and speed than with power.
It will be interesting to see how well he handles dings and tweaks. He seems to be pretty tough and could play through them but how much quickness and speed will minor injuries take away? I'm pulling for him though...
Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
I took Cook over him at 1.4 and still would today. I think he's good but he's still my 4th RB. Cook is built to be more of a feature back and still can catch out if the backfield. I dont think CMC will be a bust, but I think there will always be at least to some degree, that he'll be a better football player then fantasy player.
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Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
If I'm being honest my gut says go with Mixon and Cook. My eyes say CMC and Cook. Thanks for everyone's input.
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Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
I love what I have been seeing from the guy. Still debating between and him in standard league at 1.02
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Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
Did you actually study any of his college tape? Kid is a stud, period.
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Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
I only play in PPR leagues, and where I've had a choice, he's my #1 RB. He brings a floor and ceiling. I view him as being a more gifted Danny Woodhead. Sure, he's going to have fewer TDs than a typical feature back, but I see him ticking all the boxes - great receiver, tremendous achievement in college, great head on his shoulders, just fine between the tackles, no injury or other negative history to speak of. He's as safe a pick in my eyes as you can get in fantasy. There's downside, but think there isn't with someone like Fournette, who had a tremendous year in college get derailed by injuries last year that are starting to creep into this year. Not to mention, who cares about volume when your team isn't able to sniff the red zone. It's not that I don't like the other options at RB, I just like this kid more. Stewart hasn't been the picture of perfect health, either. Is anyone concerned that a Stewart injury is going to lead to more Cameron Artis Payne touches? Likely not. CMC is gold.
Re: Christian McCaffrey....Gold or Gimmick?
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