Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

[ninotoreS]

I wouldn't have for landry as I direct comped him to hines ward

And Landry is many pundits' direct comp for Kupp.

And PFF comps him with Houshmandzadeh.

wild hyperbole

It ain't hyperbole when it's rational conjecture backed by hard-facts and real precedent.

[clarion contrarion]

while I think you are robinson crusoe on this one- perhaps cooper kupp is your angel
at least you put it out there I can respect that 100%

[ninotoreS]

I freely admit for the record that I am even more optimistic slash bullish regarding Cooper Kupp's prospects than I was about Devonta Freeman back in '14.

For those who remember my activity in Freeman's threads in '14 and '15, that should say something.

[Valhalla]

cooper kupp on truth serum isn't buying that take ^^^

If guys with the workout athleticism and skill-sets of Wes Welker, Jarvis Landry, and Hines Ward can get a 100 catches in a season, it's entirely plausible for a guy with Kupp's prospect profile to be capable of it.

And anyway, you're exactly wrong; Kupp is buying that take and more, actually. He's on record saying he sets outrageous goals for himself. Which, incidentally, he completely achieved in college. Now he says his goal is to be a hybrid of Fitz, Brown, and Green. So, obviously, with that sort of confidence I'm sure 100 catches in a season is only a starting point for his personal goals.

100 catches? Lol. GTFOH.

I'm sure you would have lol'ed back in '14 at the idea of Landry doing it, too.

smh

I'm on this side of the kupp debate. I see a very solid player

[HawkeyeState]

People want to hop on the Kupp hype train but dog Sammy Watkins but they on the same team.
Makes so much sense...............................NOT

[Shoreline Steamers]

while I think you are robinson crusoe on this one- perhaps cooper kupp is your angel
at least you put it out there I can respect that 100%

I'm with Nino on this one so he's not the only one on the island. I believe I said it earlier, he's going to be a guy people wish they had spent a third-rounder on. Watched his career unfold at Eastern, saw his games against Pac-12 competition, none of it was too big for him and he excelled. So far in his brief stint in the NFL he's also looked pretty darn good.

I'm trusting my eyes on this. The guy can play football. Whether you dislike his metrics, pedigree, college he attended, team he plays for, whatever. He's just good at the game, and he'll be showing it on Sundays very soon.

And I'll be happy to come on back and take my lumps if I'm wrong.

[ninotoreS]

So, apparently, a certain rookie is teaching Sammy Watkins the Rams offense.

Also, this, and this.

And I promise I'm not actually this guy. I'm only predicting it in '18. :kappa:

[jermainew]

I have to say something here. I coached Cooper from Grid Kids through HS. My son was his HS QB..... We had a blistering passing offense in HS, with Cooper being #1 of course.... The reason I'm saying this is because he WASN'T the fastest on that team (Other 3 WR were ALL faster, and QB) .... he just had "IT", and ridiculous quickness and football savvy.... He also from 11, 12, 13 yrs old was asking questions about the game that even I as his coach could not answer!! He was thirsty for knowledge and a tireless worker.... Like I told his parents about 2 years ago, no matter how far this goes, no one will ever know his character FAR outweighs anything he does on the field!!!

[_yeti]

I have to say something here. I coached Cooper from Grid Kids through HS. My son was his HS QB..... We had a blistering passing offense in HS, with Cooper being #1 of course.... The reason I'm saying this is because he WASN'T the fastest on that team (Other 3 WR were ALL faster, and QB) .... he just had "IT", and ridiculous quickness and football savvy.... He also from 11, 12, 13 yrs old was asking questions about the game that even I as his coach could not answer!! He was thirsty for knowledge and a tireless worker.... Like I told his parents about 2 years ago, no matter how far this goes, no one will ever know his character FAR outweighs anything he does on the field!!!

Prove it. Just kidding

[Space Cowboy]

People want to hop on the Kupp hype train but dog Sammy Watkins but they on the same team.
Makes so much sense...............................NOT

Watkins can't stay healthy, is learning a new offense and has 0 chemistry thus far with Goff. Watkins is the better long term play, but the gap isn't all that wide despite the belief around here.

[ninotoreS]

We saw what happened in preseason Week 3 with Kupp sidelined; the Jared Goff we saw in preseason Week 2 disappeared. Seems to me he clearly missed having Kupp on the field.

I believe there is a real possibility Cooper Kupp still leads the Rams in targets this year, even with Watkins on the field. Goff is 'processing' his reads too slowly, and so he needs to lean on a guy who reliably gets open quckly as his go-to first-read or check-down, and right now that appears to be Cooper Kupp.

I'm contemplating starting Kupp Week 1 (my league with him has an extra flex-slot instead of a kicker) vs Indy. Cooper beat TJ Carrie like a drum preseason Week 2, and Carrie's pretty good. Darius Butler Week 1 will be an interesting test. He was graded Indy's best corner last year.

[Reljac]

We saw what happened in preseason Week 3 with Kupp sidelined; the Jared Goff we saw in preseason Week 2 disappeared. Seems to me he clearly missed having Kupp on the field.

Not sure what you're insisting we saw... 5 for 8 for 56yds, vs 16-20 for 160 yds.
7 yards per attempt vs. 8 yards per attempt. 11 yds per reception vs. 10 yds per reception... An INT on a pass to Watkins...

Pretty sure you could make the same argument about Gurley not being out there for week 3. I'd assume defenses wouldn't stack the box against Malcolm Brown..... which would likely be a much bigger impact than a rookie WR not being out there.

Hard to compare stats when Goff played only 3 drives this week. The pass that was intercepted was to Sammy Watkins.

[ninotoreS]

And a sack-fumble at the Chargers' 8-yard line which the Chargers returned for a touchdown. Your perusal of the box-score must've missed that.

You obviously didn't watch the game, so you didn't see anything at all. Probably just shouldn't have replied then, since my post didn't apply for you. I'm guessing you didn't actually watch Week 2, either.

Goff was poised and decisive Week 2. He didn't hold the ball too long and looked in command. Week 3 he was back to looking scared, and took too long to make his reads and progressions. i.e. He returned to last year's form. He was yanked after two series ended by bad turnovers because McVay could see the game was canceling out the progress that was made in Week 2; the goal right now is to build up Goff's confidence.

I have already posited my theory for the difference between Goff's confidence in the pocket Week 2 vs Week 3: having Kupp as a first-read and check-down vs not having Kupp as a first-read and check-down. Think Tannehill with Jarvis Landry. It's practically a mirror-scenario. Also like Tannehill with Landry, Goff was equally gun-shy attacking downfield Week 2 vs 3.

I'd assume defenses wouldn't stack the box against Malcolm Brown

You assume wrong, guy-who-didn't-watch. Malcolm Brown was effective selling play-action Week 3, and the Chargers' safeties were playing as close to the LoS as the Raiders' were in Week 2, because regardless of whether Gurley or some other RB is on the field, opposing Ds don't respect Goff's deep-ball right now. It falls to Watkins to make them respect it, but he hasn't built any timing or chemistry with Goff yet.

[Reljac]

It's just plain asinine to say that if Cooper Kupp were on the field that Bosa would not have been able to sack Goff and potentially force a fumble. Bosa's spent the whole offseason training camp focusing on stripping techniques to create more turnovers from his sacks.

Kupp may be good, but the line of reasoning here just screams confirmation bias with little relevant or factual information. Rotoworld saw Kupp's absense as "Kupp's injury isn't serious, but it's a blow for the 24-year-old rookie." He's got great hands, but still has 4.62 wheels and played against much lesser sized players in college. He's going to get the ball a lot underneath and as a result sustain a lot of hits from Linebackers and strong safeties.

[Friction]

I have to say something here. I coached Cooper from Grid Kids through HS. My son was his HS QB..... We had a blistering passing offense in HS, with Cooper being #1 of course.... The reason I'm saying this is because he WASN'T the fastest on that team (Other 3 WR were ALL faster, and QB) .... he just had "IT", and ridiculous quickness and football savvy.... He also from 11, 12, 13 yrs old was asking questions about the game that even I as his coach could not answer!! He was thirsty for knowledge and a tireless worker.... Like I told his parents about 2 years ago, no matter how far this goes, no one will ever know his character FAR outweighs anything he does on the field!!!

Well I invented the internet.... Just playing. Thats pretty cool if true and I know I have read similar sentiments about him after I saw him torching some Power Conference teams the past couple of years.