Cooper Kupp - Value Up?

[The Red Rooster]

In fairness, his hype was really pre-Watkins...its still there, but he's taken a bit of a hype hit. Having said that, one could argue Watkins will open up things underneath for him. As previously stated, good hands, college production, supposedly bright and runs great routes. I'd like him at the end of my bench.

[StableOfRBs]

-A study in 2011 found that the 40, vert, 20 yd shuttle, and 3 cone had little to do with predicting future NFL performance and that college performance was a much better indicator.

-Quote from Daniel Jeremiah, former scout and analyst: "The position where the 40 holds the most weight is cornerback. If you're a receiver who runs a 4.6 like (Anquan) Boldin, but you have short-area quickness and strong hands, the 40 isn't a big deal." 3-cone and 20 yd shuttle are the best drills to show short-area quickness, anything under 7 seconds for the 3-cone is decent, Kupp ran a 6.75, for the shuttle you want about 4.20 seconds, Kupp ran a 4.08

-fantastic college production, broke several FCS records including Jerry Rice's all-division career yards record in his first 3 years (39 games to Rice's 42), the career reception record, and the career TD reception record (by no means am I even suggesting that Kupp is the next Jerry Rice but Rice also coincidentally ran about a 4.6s 40)

-gets open easily in the short-mid range so he's an easy safety blanket for Goff on a team that has a very poor OL (and already bailed him out last week when Goff was under pressure)

-also due to the poor OL the Rams should have more trouble than most teams running the ball and a great way of covering that up is with short passes near the LoS, should lead to a high volume of targets

-if Goff can prove that last year was just a bad year for him and that Fisher was largely responsible by performing well this year then Kupp has a solid young QB to develop with

[Servo]

Decent hands? Everything/every tweet/every report has said he's literally Mr. Reliable and catches everything.

Would I draft a 24 year old receiver in the 1st or 2nd? No but I'd be more than happy to take him starting in RD3.

[Valhalla]

-A study in 2011 found that the 40, vert, 20 yd shuttle, and 3 cone had little to do with predicting future NFL performance and that college performance was a much better indicator.

-Quote from Daniel Jeremiah, former scout and analyst: "The position where the 40 holds the most weight is cornerback. If you're a receiver who runs a 4.6 like (Anquan) Boldin, but you have short-area quickness and strong hands, the 40 isn't a big deal." 3-cone and 20 yd shuttle are the best drills to show short-area quickness, anything under 7 seconds for the 3-cone is decent, Kupp ran a 6.75, for the shuttle you want about 4.20 seconds, Kupp ran a 4.08

-fantastic college production, broke several FCS records including Jerry Rice's all-division career yards record in his first 3 years (39 games to Rice's 42), the career reception record, and the career TD reception record (by no means am I even suggesting that Kupp is the next Jerry Rice but Rice also coincidentally ran about a 4.6s 40)

-gets open easily in the short-mid range so he's an easy safety blanket for Goff on a team that has a very poor OL (and already bailed him out last week when Goff was under pressure)

-also due to the poor OL the Rams should have more trouble than most teams running the ball and a great way of covering that up is with short passes near the LoS, should lead to a high volume of targets

-if Goff can prove that last year was just a bad year for him and that Fisher was largely responsible by performing well this year then Kupp has a solid young QB to develop with

Nicely supported, SORBs.
Do you happen to have a link to that 2011 study?

[MikeHoncho]

The guy runs great routs and creates separation while only being a really good (not great) athlete. Also has great hands as mentioned above. Combine those two traits and you have a guy a QB can trust to be where he is supposed to be and will get the ball a lot.

[StableOfRBs]

-A study in 2011 found that the 40, vert, 20 yd shuttle, and 3 cone had little to do with predicting future NFL performance and that college performance was a much better indicator.

-Quote from Daniel Jeremiah, former scout and analyst: "The position where the 40 holds the most weight is cornerback. If you're a receiver who runs a 4.6 like (Anquan) Boldin, but you have short-area quickness and strong hands, the 40 isn't a big deal." 3-cone and 20 yd shuttle are the best drills to show short-area quickness, anything under 7 seconds for the 3-cone is decent, Kupp ran a 6.75, for the shuttle you want about 4.20 seconds, Kupp ran a 4.08

-fantastic college production, broke several FCS records including Jerry Rice's all-division career yards record in his first 3 years (39 games to Rice's 42), the career reception record, and the career TD reception record (by no means am I even suggesting that Kupp is the next Jerry Rice but Rice also coincidentally ran about a 4.6s 40)

-gets open easily in the short-mid range so he's an easy safety blanket for Goff on a team that has a very poor OL (and already bailed him out last week when Goff was under pressure)

-also due to the poor OL the Rams should have more trouble than most teams running the ball and a great way of covering that up is with short passes near the LoS, should lead to a high volume of targets

-if Goff can prove that last year was just a bad year for him and that Fisher was largely responsible by performing well this year then Kupp has a solid young QB to develop with

Nicely supported, SORBs.
Do you happen to have a link to that 2011 study?

The link is off the NFL Scouting Combine wikipedia page, goes to an online article that's behind a paywall for what looks to be a college textbook:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 011.555218

[Kurt G.O.A.T.]

I just don't get it. Kupp is a slow slot receiver with decent hands on a LAR offense that wants run and play good defense. If they do pass, I'm not confident in Goff, and Watkins and the TEs are probably going to take most of the targets. Someone change my mind?

did you hear that jeff fisher is gone and took rob boras with him? also they hired sean mcvay as their hc and he had the skins in the top 5 offenses in the league the last 2 seasons.

they acquired sammy watkins who will open up the field for more intermediate routes which is where kupp will shine. they also have tavon austin who always draws extra attention from the d so kupp will most probably need to beat only one defender, which he will do with ease, or find a soft spot in the zone, which he is more than capable of doing.

i think that sums it up. also, this year is the return of gurley. kupp is gonna eat up the yardage.

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[remedy29]

What hype are you referring to? Kupp is a very solid late 2nd round rookie pick, way better than some of the previous 2nd rounders in the past few years. Kupp isn't the only player with a solid late 2nd round value. This is a deep NFL draft.

I think Kupp has a good chance to be a solid PPR WR and have a solid NFL career based on comments above. If you can get that from a late 2nd round pick, that's awesome.

[dpham503]

I think Kupp will just be the next Beasley, perhaps slightly better. I don't think he'll get that many targets as Rams will be running quite a bit of 2 TE sets which means Everett or Higbee who I think are far superior athletically.

[Shoreline Steamers]

I think Kupp will just be the next Beasley, perhaps slightly better. I don't think he'll get that many targets as Rams will be running quite a bit of 2 TE sets which means Everett or Higbee who I think are far superior athletically.

This may be true. But Kupp is seriously good at football. An underrated player IMO.

[clarion contrarion]

the next good wr les snead drafts will be the 1st one so color me skeptical , not from missouri but the rams used to be so he will need to prove it before I invest . jeff fisher has been a convenient and deserving punching bag for the rams offensive woes but snead has been the GM for 6 drafts and the time period has encompassed some truly horrid offensive players .
might be terrific but my guess is JAG !

[_yeti]

From his draft profile, when you can look at what guys have done against top tier players it helps when you are unsure whether they have the metrics for the next stage.

"In 2014, he punked both Marcus Peters and Sidney Jones when he took on Washington. Two first-round talents. You tell me if he's going to be a starter." -- South regional scout for AFC team

I think he is a solid football player. I see him producing a lot of volume much like Taywan Taylor (different players but can do the same things for their offenses in the league and be that volume slot guy).

Also, I think the main hype for him was last year. It's been real quiet on him in a long time, I think people are just expecting him to be about what he will be now.

[Lotto4Life]

not from missouri but the rams used to be so he will need to prove it before I invest

I believe the words you're looking for are "he will need to show me," Biff.

[Novacane]

I just don't get it. Kupp is a slow slot receiver with decent hands on a LAR offense that wants run and play good defense. If they do pass, I'm not confident in Goff, and Watkins and the TEs are probably going to take most of the targets. Someone change my mind?

Sounds like you are describing Jarvis Landry.

[Valhalla]

I just don't get it. Kupp is a slow slot receiver with decent hands on a LAR offense that wants run and play good defense. If they do pass, I'm not confident in Goff, and Watkins and the TEs are probably going to take most of the targets. Someone change my mind?

Sounds like you are describing Jarvis Landry.

That was my thought as well