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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Valhalla » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:31 pm

http://buffalonews.com/2017/08/15/bills ... iver-room/
From the article:
"We’re building a team, we’re not accumulating talent," the coach said. "We’re building a team and that comes down to roles, it comes down to chemistry, it comes down to camaraderie, and it comes also down to unselfishness. That’s the qualities we are looking for in our football players."

"In our room, there's no entitlement," second-round draft pick Zay Jones said. "I don't think anyone feels entitled, starting with Anquan. He's the most decorated and prestigious receiver in the room, and he comes to work just like all of us. His work habits are unbelievable and that's something that I look at and really feed off of."

From Sammy:
"I don't care what's going on over there. I don't care if he's open. When I get one on one, just target me."
"But for me, I need the ball at least 10 times - I need 10 targets - and I'll be fine with however many yards I get. And that's what I addressed in talking with my agent. We reached out to a couple people and tried to pull some strings like, 'Hey, I need my targets. You came up to draft me and I'm not getting targets - that's a problem. You're making me look bad and you're making yourself look bad. Why not make both of us look good?'"

And there you have it. I don't doubt the possibility that the Bills are predicting further injuries coming, but did they even need that reason? They ditched him and brought in a guy that may not be as gifted, but has his entire reputation built on being an excellent teammate while also being a decent, team first player.

Also from Sammy:
"...you would love those 15 targets that Julio gets, those 20 targets that Odell gets. Of course I'd have 100 yards every game and a TD, if I'm getting 20 targets."
:lol: I'd love to find out what would happen if Odell got 320 targets...

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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby kmbryant09 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:29 am

Valhalla wrote:
Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:31 pm
http://buffalonews.com/2017/08/15/bills ... iver-room/
From the article:
"We’re building a team, we’re not accumulating talent," the coach said. "We’re building a team and that comes down to roles, it comes down to chemistry, it comes down to camaraderie, and it comes also down to unselfishness. That’s the qualities we are looking for in our football players."

"In our room, there's no entitlement," second-round draft pick Zay Jones said. "I don't think anyone feels entitled, starting with Anquan. He's the most decorated and prestigious receiver in the room, and he comes to work just like all of us. His work habits are unbelievable and that's something that I look at and really feed off of."

From Sammy:
"I don't care what's going on over there. I don't care if he's open. When I get one on one, just target me."
"But for me, I need the ball at least 10 times - I need 10 targets - and I'll be fine with however many yards I get. And that's what I addressed in talking with my agent. We reached out to a couple people and tried to pull some strings like, 'Hey, I need my targets. You came up to draft me and I'm not getting targets - that's a problem. You're making me look bad and you're making yourself look bad. Why not make both of us look good?'"

And there you have it. I don't doubt the possibility that the Bills are predicting further injuries coming, but did they even need that reason? They ditched him and brought in a guy that may not be as gifted, but has his entire reputation built on being an excellent teammate while also being a decent, team first player.

Also from Sammy:
"...you would love those 15 targets that Julio gets, those 20 targets that Odell gets. Of course I'd have 100 yards every game and a TD, if I'm getting 20 targets."
:lol: I'd love to find out what would happen if Odell got 320 targets...
In all fairness, aren't those quotes from Sammy Watkins from 2015 or early 2016? That was a different coaching staff that he was sending a message to, and in his defense, he was correct. He was clearly the ONLY receiving weapon on the team and there seemed to be weeks where he wasn't even involved in the game-plan. It's at least part of the reason why the previous coaching staff was finally let go...
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby maxhyde » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:32 am

Agreed....and he's not their problem anymore. Even with the injuries I sort of agree with him. If the Bills were winning alot those few years I might not feel the same but playing on a bad team and not getting enough opportunities to help is frustrating
I think they will find he was a nice problem to have. A guy that wants the ball because he thinks he can help the team win.

I have no problem with the above characterization...I want guys that want the ball on my teams
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Valhalla » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:18 am

There is a difference between wanting the ball to help your team and just plain wanting the ball for your own stat gains. "I don't care if he's open. Give me the ball anyways" does not sound like a guy that is team success as first priority.

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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Balzac » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:34 am

Valhalla wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:18 am
There is a difference between wanting the ball to help your team and just plain wanting the ball for your own stat gains. "I don't care if he's open. Give me the ball anyways" does not sound like a guy that is team success as first priority.
Again you are taking it out of context. At the time of the statements it really didn't matter who was getting the ball because the Bills were a dumpster and were losing games regardless. Sammy was being under worked and was making a statement that he felt they would do better to get him the ball more.

I agree with the poster above, this is the kind of guy I want. Your WRs should be hungry for the ball every play. Otherwise they aren't the type of guy you want on a fantasy team.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby rubber_duck » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:48 am

Balzac wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:34 am
Valhalla wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:18 am
There is a difference between wanting the ball to help your team and just plain wanting the ball for your own stat gains. "I don't care if he's open. Give me the ball anyways" does not sound like a guy that is team success as first priority.
Again you are taking it out of context. At the time of the statements it really didn't matter who was getting the ball because the Bills were a dumpster and were losing games regardless. Sammy was being under worked and was making a statement that he felt they would do better to get him the ball more.

I agree with the poster above, this is the kind of guy I want. Your WRs should be hungry for the ball every play. Otherwise they aren't the type of guy you want on a fantasy team.
I may be completely wrong here, but it seems like the two of you may be talking about two entirely different things. I suspect Valhalla is continuing the conversation of why Buffalo got rid of Watkins in the real NFL. Balzac, it looks like you are supporting reasons why Sammy is a solid player in fantasy football.

Maybe?

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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Valhalla » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:13 am

rubber_duck wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:48 am
Balzac wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:34 am
Valhalla wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:18 am
There is a difference between wanting the ball to help your team and just plain wanting the ball for your own stat gains. "I don't care if he's open. Give me the ball anyways" does not sound like a guy that is team success as first priority.
Again you are taking it out of context. At the time of the statements it really didn't matter who was getting the ball because the Bills were a dumpster and were losing games regardless. Sammy was being under worked and was making a statement that he felt they would do better to get him the ball more.

I agree with the poster above, this is the kind of guy I want. Your WRs should be hungry for the ball every play. Otherwise they aren't the type of guy you want on a fantasy team.
I may be completely wrong here, but it seems like the two of you may be talking about two entirely different things. I suspect Valhalla is continuing the conversation of why Buffalo got rid of Watkins in the real NFL. Balzac, it looks like you are supporting reasons why Sammy is a solid player in fantasy football.

Maybe?
Yeah I think you're right.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Kramer » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:51 am

From the brief clips I saw of the Rams game last night, it looked like Sammy was pretty engaged with the rest of the team. Celebrating with teammates after scores and but plays and such.

Did anyone see how he looked running routes and such? I know it'll take some time for him and Goff to build chemistry, but it was encouraging to see the Rams offense move the ball fairly easily. Goff looked much better.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Servo » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:30 am

Goff threw a pretty damn good ball, 25+ yards that would have been a TD....granted OAK's CB was right on Sammy but he had the opportunity to catch it.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Sportseditor23 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:12 am

The mass panic about him going to the Rams was an embarrassment. As best you could just say there was a lot of uncertainty but to say you know it will be horrible because of Goff was a joke. Nobody has any idea how he will improve in year 2 and a vastly improved offensive coaching staff.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby dm1129 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:25 pm

If I was a Watkins owner, I would be ecstatic about this trade. Watkins just went from a bad weather team with the fewest pass attempts in the league to a good weather team with a new coach whose old team had over 600 pass attempts. Considering that this is a dynasty forum, it amazes me at the short sightedness of most posters. Goff is a very talented QB who was put into the worst possible situation last year. The old coaching staff literally had no idea of how to develop a QB nor any concept of offensive football. The new coaching staff TEACHES nonstop. McVay has been working extremely closely with Goff since he became head coach. The Rams offense has a lot of work yet to do, but already has made a great deal of progress which is being largely ignored in these forums.

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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby jtd1387 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:14 am

dm1129 wrote:
Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:25 pm
If I was a Watkins owner, I would be ecstatic about this trade. Watkins just went from a bad weather team with the fewest pass attempts in the league to a good weather team with a new coach whose old team had over 600 pass attempts. Considering that this is a dynasty forum, it amazes me at the short sightedness of most posters. Goff is a very talented QB who was put into the worst possible situation last year. The old coaching staff literally had no idea of how to develop a QB nor any concept of offensive football. The new coaching staff TEACHES nonstop. McVay has been working extremely closely with Goff since he became head coach. The Rams offense has a lot of work yet to do, but already has made a great deal of progress which is being largely ignored in these forums.
I am pretty happy with it long term. LA has a brighter future than Buffalo, and they paid a lot for a guy who is under contract only 1 year. Seems like they value his talent pretty highly. It is a bummer for this year though. I can't see him producing consistently after a mid-August trade.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby ninotoreS » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:01 am

For the most part, I agree with some others that have posted that Watkins in LA seems to me, right now, more likely to be an upgrade than downgrade. If I'm an owner, I'm cautiously optimistic. Goff doesn't need to be elite, just competent.

That said, Watkins may end up disappointed with his target volume. The D-Jax role in McVay's offense averaged about 100 targets per 16 games. That's about a 6 target per week average. With Cooper Kupp coming on strong, McVay reportedly excited about using Gurley more as a pass-catcher, and optimism regarding the Everett/Higbee TE tandem's potential, Watkins will probably need to get zen about sharing, and focus on making big plays vertically with fewer targets. Which I think he can do, of course.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Valhalla » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:10 pm

ninotoreS wrote:
Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:01 am
For the most part, I agree with some others that have posted that Watkins in LA seems to me, right now, more likely to be an upgrade than downgrade. If I'm an owner, I'm cautiously optimistic. Goff doesn't need to be elite, just competent.

That said, Watkins may end up disappointed with his target volume. The D-Jax role in McVay's offense averaged about 100 targets per 16 games. That's about a 6 target per week average. With Cooper Kupp coming on strong, McVay reportedly excited about using Gurley more as a pass-catcher, and optimism regarding the Everett/Higbee TE tandem's potential, Watkins will probably need to get zen about sharing, and focus on making big plays vertically with fewer targets. Which I think he can do, of course.
He hasn't really been about sharing in the past. Quite the opposite, actually.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby HawkeyeState » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:52 pm

Not sure what all has been said previous so apologies if I'm repeating what has been said.

I actually think Sammy to LA is good. I think it's a good change of scenery and something fresh.
I also think the warmer weather in LA will treat him well in terms of injuries as I always found as a player that when things were injured, they were easy to get loose and stay loose in warmer weather versus cold Buffalo type weather.

I think Goff and he can be a good thing in 17 and moving forward if he re-signs in LA. I personally think Goff will improve, maybe not to where we all think the #1 pick should be, but I do think he progresses beyond what he did last year.

I think it's very interesting that some people are basically burying Sammy for this trade, saying he is no worthless for 2017, yet some of those people are all of a sudden on the Cooper Kupp hype wagon.

I'm sorry, but if you think Kupp is more talented than Sammy please go away.
2nd, why would you downgrade Sammy but be jumping on this Kupp hype? They play on the same team with the same teammates in the same scheme, you can't hate the more talented one and love the less talented one just "because". Makes no sense.
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