Is this Veto Worthy?
Is this Veto Worthy?
I'll admit, I'm upset about this, so figured I'd see if maybe I'm the wrong with the incorrect logic.
Full-disclosure, the 2nd round pick is likely very high. I just asked the Enuwa owner if he's interested in Anderson, and made this deal... All but one owner vetoed this deal. I liked the deal for me, but don't think it is close to veto-worthy
Edit (I have to be fair if I want opinions): Another disclosure, just so I'm being entirely honest: there are concerns about the competency of other owner, and I was made aware commissioner texted everyone to not trade with owner anymore. I legitimately never got this text, but I think this is a darn fair deal / if that much of a concern that can't trade with owner, owner should be removed. I offered the same trade to my other league with Enuwa owner, so not a case of targeting this owner. I wouldn't trade Anderson for a 3, I think I'm likely higher on him than some (why I owned him in every league I'm in).
Full-disclosure, the 2nd round pick is likely very high. I just asked the Enuwa owner if he's interested in Anderson, and made this deal... All but one owner vetoed this deal. I liked the deal for me, but don't think it is close to veto-worthy
Edit (I have to be fair if I want opinions): Another disclosure, just so I'm being entirely honest: there are concerns about the competency of other owner, and I was made aware commissioner texted everyone to not trade with owner anymore. I legitimately never got this text, but I think this is a darn fair deal / if that much of a concern that can't trade with owner, owner should be removed. I offered the same trade to my other league with Enuwa owner, so not a case of targeting this owner. I wouldn't trade Anderson for a 3, I think I'm likely higher on him than some (why I owned him in every league I'm in).
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
No way. That's an overpay for Robby but certainly not veto worthy.
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
If I had the second round pick i wouldn't accept this trade. Robby Anderson is likely never going to really fantasy relevant--and even this year I have my doubts. That being said if -- I'm not sure it is veto-worthy. I have seen absolutely horrid trade deals go through that should have been vetoed--and this is not even in that league--
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
This wouldn't be veto worthy if the pick was a first. or if it was a 3rd.... Nothing is veto worthy, especially players who's value is based on potential. I would never play in a league that allows vetos.
Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
If I were you, I'd find a new league to play in. No reason why it should be vetoed
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
Exactly. You have willingly chosen to be a participant in a league that allows the other 11 owners to run your team.
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
I really, really, love this league, but I'm probably way too upset about this. Just wanted to check if I was missing something.
Also, if anyone missed it, I did add another disclosure.
Also, if anyone missed it, I did add another disclosure.
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
First let me say I do not believe in Vetos. Unless you can suspect collusion or one team just shipping all their players to another team then there is no place for vetos in my opinion. If you have two owners who are legitimately trying to win and they both think they made a good trade then they should never be vetoed. If someone "trade rapes" someone else but both had intentions of making their team better then good for the winner. All of that said, this trade isn't even remotely close to veto worthy regardless off the competency of the other owner.
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
On what basis did they veto this? What is the rationale? No way they consider it collusion...so it's a joke. Leave the league. The fact that the commissioner sends everyone a message to not deal with an owner...but leaves him in the league is hard to fathom as well. Give him his money back and punt him if that's the concern. Seems illogical to leave him there as a black hole, and veto fair deals.
In the grand scheme of things though, if you love the league and want to stay then do so. This deal isn't that big of a deal, but don't be surprised when other silly things come up in the future, which seems inevitable. Veto is a dangerous slope and now the precedent has been set. A very bad precedent.
In the grand scheme of things though, if you love the league and want to stay then do so. This deal isn't that big of a deal, but don't be surprised when other silly things come up in the future, which seems inevitable. Veto is a dangerous slope and now the precedent has been set. A very bad precedent.
Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
I don't know why people who have this opinion keep answering these questions. Great for you, don't play in veto leagues, but this isn't helpful advice in regards to this question, for those of us who don't want moron league mates to ruin our league.Ryantacular wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:41 am This wouldn't be veto worthy if the pick was a first. or if it was a 3rd.... Nothing is veto worthy, especially players who's value is based on potential. I would never play in a league that allows vetos.
I don't think any trade for a 2nd round pick is significant enough to veto, unless maybe it's a keeper league (not a full dynasty).
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
This. And for the record, it doesn't matter what my opinion is on the trade. This is not cheating. The answer is no.
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
If you don't want moron league mates ruining your league, don't play in leagues with morons. From what I've read in this and other forums, the leagues that allow vetos seem to be content to allow incompetent owners.Tsunami wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:58 amI don't know why people who have this opinion keep answering these questions. Great for you, don't play in veto leagues, but this isn't helpful advice in regards to this question, for those of us who don't want moron league mates to ruin our league.Ryantacular wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:41 am This wouldn't be veto worthy if the pick was a first. or if it was a 3rd.... Nothing is veto worthy, especially players who's value is based on potential. I would never play in a league that allows vetos.
I don't think any trade for a 2nd round pick is significant enough to veto, unless maybe it's a keeper league (not a full dynasty).
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
False
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
For full disclosure as participating member in the league...................
-The second rounder will be 11th overall (only 10 teams).
-The same owner that originated this thread traded Blount/Doug Martin for his first (ended up being 1.01) week before deadline last year when owner was out of it.
-Two years ago the same owner traded Decker for first rounder (being 1.01) again.
-Commish told every member of the league to hold off on trades for time being as he was considering removing this owner from league after the owner dropped Kevin White and Pierre Garcon and has finished last for 3 consecutive years. The posting owner was able to pick up Kevin White for free based off of this. The commish did not want this team to be destructed anymore. Not even a week later, this trade went through......
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Re: Is this Veto Worthy?
This is why league voting is a joke. While I'd never trade that for Robby Anderson, I've seen similar picks go for stop gaps in the past... the worst of which was a 2nd for Jon Kitna one year that Tony Romo got hurt.
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